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Roar_Of_War on 17 January 2010
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Cheebee said:
Senlis said:

It's funny how you should mention that you believe OOT was a great game, but TP seems like the same old thing.

Nintendo released a couple of great Zelda games between OOT and TP.  They included Manjoras Mask and Wind Waker.  They had innovative and original concepts that really evolved the series as a whole.  The problem?  Many people didn't like it.  They scoffed at not being able to play as adult link in Manjoras Mask.  They criticized it's lack of dungeons (only 4) and the time traveling system was completely not what they were used to.  They laughed at Wind Waker's graphical style, and how the game took place on an ocean.  Btw: some of the islands in WW were bigger than the areas of OOT.

Basically what I am saying is that Nintendo delivered two amazing games between OOT and TP.  The fans complained, saying that they wanted to play as adult Link in an experience similar to OOT.  The fans wanted it, and Nintendo delivered.  What you recieved was an amazing game, but one that didn't do much different than it's predecessor.  Then, people criticized it for not doing much different than it's predecessor.

To summarize, people complain when things change.

I totally agree with this. I actually said something similar in a different thread. People just love to complain. If TP is so terribly outdated and stale, why did it sell so much more than both MM and WW, two wholly fresh and innovative Zelda titles? Evidently it's not so bad as a LOT of people make it seem.

Also, I don't really get what they complain about concerning TP anyway, imo it is, on the whole, a much different game from OOT. It's much, much more elaborate and evolved than the foundation that OOT laid. If you compare the two, yes, there are of course similarities, durh, but TP feels like a much larger, more epic and more complete experience than OOT ever was. It does so much more so much better, people complaining and finding it far inferior to OOT are honestly just looking at the N64 game through rose-tinted glasses.

Of course, that's not to say I didn't love OOT. In fact, I love all Zelda games, and so far, I've found each and every installment to be fresh and exciting. Now if anyone wants to talk franchises gone stale, take a look at Pokémon, THERE's a franchise that's the textbook example of unoriginality. In fact, I could name a long, long list of franchises that fit that description, most of them popular 'core' HD games.

Well, to be honest, you're right. There are plenty of core franchises that have done the same thing over and over again, yet Zelda seems to be the one getting the most criticism for this. I think the main issue however is the fact that expectations are constantly rising, and Nintendo has trouble changing or "evolving" enough to meet these expectations. With Zelda, its a very serious, respected franchise. People expect it to keep rivaling the competition, but the team behind Zelda seem to have trouble doing this, or don't understand just how seriously people want Zelda to be equally matched with what else is out there in terms of balance, freedom, difficulty, depth and ect.

 

Wind Waker actually would've been better if it didn't have such a rough start with the Cel-shaded haters. It actually was very good for its time, and it did make some obvious improvements while realizing some of its own minor flaws. (what game doesn't have those?)

 

Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask were simply the height of what you could get for a video game out there for their time, but Wind Waker and Twilight Princess didn't evolve quite enough compared to what was releasing around it. Its honestly Zelda against the world, because it gets compared to numerous games that aren't even of the same franchise.