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Roar_Of_War on 17 January 2010
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Sorcery said:
Senlis said:

It's funny how you should mention that you believe OOT was a great game, but TP seems like the same old thing.

Nintendo released a couple of great Zelda games between OOT and TP.  They included Manjoras Mask and Wind Waker.  They had innovative and original concepts that really evolved the series as a whole.  The problem?  Many people didn't like it.  They scoffed at not being able to play as adult link in Manjoras Mask.  They criticized it's lack of dungeons (only 4) and the time traveling system was completely not what they were used to.  They laughed at Wind Waker's graphical style, and how the game took place on an ocean.  Btw: some of the islands in WW were bigger than the areas of OOT.

Basically what I am saying is that Nintendo delivered two amazing games between OOT and TP.  The fans complained, saying that they wanted to play as adult Link in an experience similar to OOT.  The fans wanted it, and Nintendo delivered.  What you recieved was an amazing game, but one that didn't do much different than it's predecessor.  Then, people criticized it for not doing much different than it's predecessor.

To summarize, people complain when things change.

Wind Waker isn't innovative, and it began a trend that continues with Twilight Princess. They're more of the same, and in many aspects both games have bad gameplay mechanics that make them worse than their N64 predecessors.

 

I agree with the OP. At one time I adored Zelda, hell I lived and breathed it. I bought an SNES, Game Boy, N64, and a Gamecube for Zelda. All my school folders had Zelda drawings all over the front and back, my graphing calculator had monochrome artwork painstakingly created during boring Calculus lectures, I was known as Zelda-boy throughout high school (yes, seriously). However, I don't like Zelda anymore, in fact I think it's a joke that people still fawn over it. Maybe to a newcomer it's fun, but to someone who played since the beginning and still considers the first game the best game, the series is plain lame.

 

It's just weird to me that I'm still a Nintendo fan, but I now despise Zelda. I sold Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass, I'm looking to trade away Twilight Princess, and Spirit Tracks will be the first Zelda game that I won't buy. Zelda, in my opinion, is either mediocre or just plain BAD now. I tried replaying Twilight Princess and the beginning of the game is so utterly terrible, the character design so bad, that I couldn't get more than 5 hours into it. I've tried replaying TWW 4 times now with the hopes of liking it, but I just can't (note: I loved the first 10 or so hours that I played TWW, then I realized how repetitive and mundane the world was, I hate it now).

 

I just feel like the series has been surpassed by many other games. The sense of exploration and discovery of Zelda has been utterly demolished by just about every other AAA game out there, combat has hardly evolved at all (TP showed some improvement, but not enough), gameplay mechanics haven't evolved, story presentation hasn't evolved (all text is okay though); the series as a whole has stagnated, which is just plain depressing.

 

 

With all that said, I still watch Zelda and I'm anticipating the Zelda Wii unveiling, hoping against hope that it will redefine the series the way LoZ, LttP, OoT, and MM redefined the series.

You despise Zelda? Thats a heavy word to use, especially if you used to love the series so much. What games have surpassed Zelda's exploration? What "bad gameplay mechanics" do wind waker and twilight princess hold compared to OoT? I doubt you can say anything that isn't either false, or preferenced. Wind Waker had innovation, just not too much gameplay-wise. Also, all the big 3D Mario titles are very similar, why don't you complain about that? Because its Mario? Why should Zelda have to change so drastically if Mario doesn't have to? Because you can hardly compare Mario to anything, but Zelda has quite a bit of comparisons to other games. Zelda's a more competitive series than Mario in the fact that it could potentially be surpassed because it does what a lot of other games do out there, unlike Mario. Still, its rather stupid to "despise" Zelda just because you may find something that, to you, is better than it. Out-performed perhaps (in your opinion), but despise? Did you want it to be better than all the rest that badly? Did it let you down? No wonder you don't like it anymore - you overloaded yourself. Over-obsession often leads to getting sick of that obsession one day, and being hostile towards it.