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DnE on 15 January 2010
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akuseru said:
theRepublic said:
SilentWolf said:

theRepublic said:

You may want to check your facts before spouting off like that.  VGC only has data for Japan for the first two games.  There is no spin.

Here are apparently the sales for Veiwtiful Joe in North America and Japan (275,000).  This would suggest that it sold about 155,000 in North America which is a fair ammount worse than Madworld.  The link mentions God Hand, but says that even though there are no known sales, they were "poor enough that the studio's life was on the line".

Edit: At least I think those are North America and Japan sales.  The article mentions Okami's sales as being only North America and Japan and then goes straight to the sales for Veiwtiful Joe.  I king of just assumed the sales would be for the same regions.

Well, there you go Procrastinato, more evidence from the other regions showing the games these guys make are just niche.

It's not even limited to their beat 'em ups either, as we all know how Okami performed.

Nice find SilentWolf.

And how big is the userbase of the Wii compared to the GC? GC sold 21.74m worldwide, the Wii has sold 65m worldwide to this date. So the Wii userbase is 3 times bigger NOW (and continuing) than GC's userbase ever was. So of course there are more people out there to buy your games. Viewtiful Joe could've have 3x its sales if it had been released on the Wii right now. There are NO excuses for the lack of quality 3rd party games being sold on the Wii. imho, no excuse.

It seems the majority of Wii-owners only want "kiddy games", party games and QUALITY 1st party titles. All quality 3rd party efforts (quality for me) has failed miserably imo (No more heroes, Muramasa, Little Kings Story, A Boy and His Blob, Silent Hill: SM (fairly new game though), Okami, Zack & Wiki, Madworld, etc)... I am not bashing the Wii here, because it got a bunch of quality 1st AND 3rd party games, but to me it seems the majority of Wii owners just don't buy too many different games. They got their MAJOR SELLING 1st party titles, but compared to consoles sold, they should be selling a lot more games overall, no? Or am I just very wrong here? What is the attach rate on the Wii? Don't misunderstand, the Wii sells software alright, but it seems it only sells "those few top-sellers" if you understand what I'm saying.

edit: found the tie ratios and all, no prob. I really have to give it to 360 gamers. You guys buy A LOT of games!! Amazing! PS3 users: Shame on you, buy more games!


Be carefuly with the tie ratios, the X360 has had a years extra to get a higher tie ratio. The actual amount of software sold monthly over the current hardware base is similair for all 3. Take a look here

As for the wii titles you mentioned take a look at titles which can be compared to them and you will see they mostly havent done badly. And have good reasons when they did do badly:
No More Heroes - Suda 51's best selling title
Little King Story and Zack and Wiki - Mixed message product confusing the market
Madworld - Comparitive to GodHand which it outsold well
Okami - Outsold PS2 version (using a much smaller userbase)
A boy and his Blob - Great game but who is the market? Advertising and so on?
Murumasa - a very niche game

So if the companies were expecting these to sell more then they are to blame. They needed to do their target market research and also proper targetted advertising.