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CGI-Quality said:
A_C_E said:
steverhcp02 said:
A_C_E said:
 

I'm not directly comparing MS to Sony so much as Sony to Sony. The only comparison I have made towards MS is the marketing division which MS takes the take no doubt. MS doesn't need many first party titles to sell over 5 mil because they already have two franchises that are 'guaranteed' 5 mil sellers with each release, the ones you posted, Gears and Halo. But that's not the point I'm getting at. What I'm trying to figure out is why Sony just let's these amazing games get not even half the sales they deserve?

Like I said, the PS3 has a problem when not even it's two biggest highly rated FPS's can't even top 4 mil, it's pathetic. They have to build towards a great online community where they ship their PS3's with mics and they have x-game chat and have an online experience unmatched by all, all in one FPS game. This is why Halo is so big today but Sony as a company just doesn't know how to pick up on these things. Sony as a company is so very linear and spend more time catching up then they do inventing, which is too bad because they have IMO the best line-up of 2010 but they won't get the sales they deserve.

The most successful console of all time in a generation where it had little to no competition for third party or 1st party titles sold a grand total of 25 total games over 4 million.

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?page=1&results=50&name=&console=PS2&minSales=0&publisher=&genre=

Take a gander at the "first party" titles.

This argument is geting ridiculous with speculation and a false sense of reality in terms of sales numbers by using Halo and Gears as standards.

You just proved my point on the 360 side...I just posted that 360 doesn't need all these  major first party titles because it's already got enough 3rd party and then you post something that states the same for PS2? Why don't you take a gander at how much harder Sony is trying to push out 1st party software in comparison to PS2. Sure all dev's are paying more this gen but not as much as Sony is. Sony is pumping so much money into their games that the effort they put into the PS2 would look very pale.

And why do you say argument? Are we arguing? lol. Look at the thread title it does not mention anything about MS so let's leave them out of this because you and CGI have used their name more times in this thread than anyone so don't even try and accuse me of using Gears and Halo as standards because I'm not. I'm simply look for reason with a logical answer as to why PS3 games like KZ2/Infamous/UC1/UC1 aren't reaching 4 mil when that should be their lowest sales. If you guys are just going to use comparisons to a system that is very online centric then why even try to have a discussion or as you would say, arguement.

But, to say these games should have sold 4mill, which I don't get why they need to reach that in the first place, you'd have to have some sort of basis, which just sounds to me like those games should have sold that by YOUR standard. If not, then it must be that you are comparing them  to something else, and the only things comparable in sales to PS3 games are, you guessed it: 360 games. Also, whenever people claim that PS3 games "underperformed", why do you think this is being said? Because the "online centric" 360's games apparently sell "much better". It's all peopkle can mostly go on.

But tell me, why should those games have sold 4mill copies? These games would have to have comparable counterparts to say that they "underperformed". What are the reasons that these games should have sold 4mill?

Dude, seriously? They don't 'need' to reach the 4 mil they just should have because they are very well built games in comparison to most other's. I enjoy the games I listed more so than most other's so yes I am basing that off of my own inner feelings towards the games but also what most other people say about them. You hear about it all the time, games that are amazing but 'could' do alot better in sales. If Sony pushed these First party games then they would get alot more sales which in my eyes is what they deserve. These devs deserve more sales over their hard work and I mean that for all games not just the Sony ones.