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highwaystar101 on 14 December 2009
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Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:

Slimebeast said:

Well, me, Squirrel, Sqrl and others knew this all along. We don't need any exposed cover-ups to realize it's all a big myth.

But I am glad you have started to open your eyes, highwaystar.

Btw, is there any public discussion in the UK about the leaked e-mails? Because here in Sweden our media is covering up the leak too lol.

I think you're lumping me together with the majority of the liberals Slimebeast . The idea that man made climate change has been massively over exaggerated has been my opinion for months, maybe years now. It's just that these latest leaked e-mails sort of confirm what I thought, that people are pressured to provide worst case scenarios for the sake of political and media gains.

As for discussion; The e-mails were in the papers for a couple of days, but it's been mostly an internet topic since then. The papers and TV stations don't have much to gain by dwelling on these e-mails. Climate change sells.

Yes I do lol. Well I recall that you are fairly conservative when it comes to economics, but..

Doesn't it anger you, this climate scandal? I am outraged by it, because it takes away focus and resources from important problems, it puts restrains on our development and economy, plus it morally (and in other ways) strengthens people who believe so highly of themselves (all the Holy Saints, not just the establishment but there's hordes among the common people too).

I would say I am slightly central/liberal about economics and quite liberal/progressive/libertarian on social issues.

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Anyway OT:

What I'm not angry about...

Usually I would have something to say about scandals. I think it may not anger me because it brings out an ecological side in people, it makes people look after their environment more. Ten years ago I don't think anyone I knew recycled, now I think I would hard pressed to find someone that doesn't. People are more conscious about what type of car they use, they are more aware of the energy they use and often buy recycled products.

I know the ends don't justify the means in most situations like this, but it is one great benefit that has come about from global warming which is very positive.

This scandal also re-affirmed something I knew, and others have been seeing it for the past few weeks like I have for a ages now. I guess that makes me less angry than I should be.

 

What I am angry about...

I don't like politicians using global warming for their own political gains. I'm against that. I recall an article in New Scientist a few months back where they wrote something which really summed it all up.

They basically wrote (paraphrased) that an honest action plan about global warming would be a one page plan that could encompass the world, but that doesn't fly in Washington. Politicians are so obsessed with political gain (trading carbon tokens as a resource, appealing to the green voters, etc...) that the simple one page plan will be distorted and become a 500 page plan where the true benefits are lost amongst political gain.

That annoys me, if these people wanted to help us, genuinely help us, then they wouldn't be for all this bullshit about distorting and hyping the real situation of global warming to suit their personal needs.

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I wonder if, in an alternate universe where global warming never came to light, it would be taking more effort and money to get people conscious about their environment?