CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI those are very reasonable arguments about genres of Uncharted and Heavu Rain and in my soul I agree with them, but u realize ur going against the majority consensus rite?
Majority consensus says Uncharted belongs in the action genre, and sub-genre would be action-adventure.
Majority says Heavy rain belongs in the adventure genre, and sub-genre would be adventure-thriller perhaps. |
Uncharted 2 is an action-adventure, but I never argued that. The genre is still adventure in Uncharted 2's case though. In fact, the only reason I mentioned Uncharted 2 is because it's adventure game that I thoroughly enjoyed. Other than that, it has no real relevance to this discussion.
Now, most people I talk to about HEAVY RAIN think it's a horror game of some sort (or see it as a serial killer style game) so I'm not aware of this " majority consensus" you speak of in regard to that. Furthermore, I doubt when the average customer looks at the box, they say "wow, this looks like an adventure". Yes, it will have adventurous aspects, I've said this before, but it will not be an adventure game, relative to genre.
As different as Alan Wake and HEAVY RAIN are, they are still in the same genre, and are both sub-genres of that: Psychological Thriller (Horror Genre).
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Yeah, Heavy Rain and Alan Wake both belong to the horror genre when it comes to thematic genre classification.
But when it oomes to genre classification from a gameplay mechanics perspectivce they're in different genres - Alan Wake is an action game and Heavy Rain would be what people see as 'adventure'.
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And we'll continue to disagree.
I haven't met a person yet, (in prerson that is) that knows what HEAVY RAIN is/about, that considers it an adventure game. Furthermore, people are comparing Alan Wake to another Horror game: SILENT HILL 2. Sure, both games (SH2, AW) have action and guns, so what? Does that make them action-shooters? No.
Bottomline, HEAVY RAIN = Psychological Thriller Alan Wake = Psychological Thriller
Both in the same genre (Horror) with different game play mechanics.
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Yes we'll continue to disagree but you must agree though that there also exists, at least theoretically, genre classifications based on game play mechanics, yes?
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Perhaps. But this whole time, I was speaking about public perspective.
In the public eye, HEAVY RAIN will be seen as a serial killer/thriller experience, not an adventure game. That's all I'm getting at. 
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When someone claim a game is an 'adventure game' they are generally refering to the genre that has been clearly define rather than some ambigious and debatable public perception. The former is a firm concept that has clearly define rule while the later is far more nebulous and can shift depending on person to person.
I can have a good argument that uncharted is a shooter for example, because there's a lot of shooting involve in it and I can make a pormise to you that dragging a few random joe of the street will see at least a good number of them agree with me. Perception is not a classification.
Heavy Rain IS an adventure game, just like Mario is a platformer and Halo is a FPS, these are classification and they should be adhere to because the public perception isn't a measuring stick on how a game should be categorised. To the public, Gears of War and Halo are both 'shooters' but we clearly label them TPS and FPS even if we too call them shooters.
There is no argument here because public perception isn't measuring stick for genre, it's a label to describe the game from a person's perspective and we're simply not speaking on the same wavelength.
However I feel you should concede that it is very valid to call Heavy Rain an adventure game, exactly as how its predecessor was classified.
