Wii Sales? A wakeup call?

[TWRoO]

Kwaad said:

TWRoO said:
1) attach rate is higher for cosoles that have been out longer and have more games.
2) had Wii sports not been bundled and Wii play not been included from the start, do you really think people would not have picked up a game with the Wii.
3) 360 has recently had 2 games bundled to it's most popular SKU (please correct me if i am wrong but i thought marvel and forza were for the 360 premium) which have increased recent weeks sales by 300k+ too.
4) although you state it, you seem to all but dismiss the fact that the Wii still doesn't have the same install base.... I am quite sure that any failed 360s don't add up to mean fewer active than Wiis.
5) your argument of people buying two 360s works just as well if not better for Wii, because it is cheaper, and as it is such a family console there are probably a good number of houses with one in the living room and one in some kids bedroom, meaning for the most part they only need one game for each console

 1. Total console attach rate. I am speaking from a single game basis. A console that has been out for a long time, does NOT have good attach ratio's. A great example, is PS2. GTA, the best selling game on the console. Only had a 10% attach ratio. Wii Sports has a 100% attach ratio. Halo3 has about a 30-40% attach ratio.
What? that has to do with the game.... of course a PS2 was never going to get a good ratio for itself because the PS2 sold so many units. Mario Galaxy has done pretty well in my eyes for USA...not spectacularly but it is not like Halo, SMG as a single game ratio to consoles will keep on increasing for a while, unlike Halo, which set a 40% ratio the first couple of weeks but will after christmas not keep increasing.

An example. In North America, Mario had about a 10% attach ratio on first week. Halo3 had a about 25% (wasn't it more like 35%?) attach ratio on it's first week. The older the console, the harder it is to get those numbers up. My other point on sales, is why do games like Assassins Creed, ALMOST sell as well as the #1 game of the year for the Wii?

 2. I think they would have picked up a game, but it would have been a game you can buy, a game with a full budget, a real game. Not a mini-mini-game collection. what are you refering to here?...i made this point because you were arguing to take out both 'Wii' games from this weeks numbers pulling Wii software much lower than 360 rather than a bit lower....yet you have said had they not been included people would buy almost as many games anyway.

3. Your right, but do their sales account for 300,000 weekly? Almost this week (about 280k i think) but generally about that number yes.

4. Considering the number of Wiis still in action, And the number of 360's not in action, I would still have to give the Win to the Wii for total number of consoles active. The failure rate for 360s was 30%, it may be less now, but even at 30% they didn't all break down this week thus 360 lost 30% of games sales.... There are very few 360s out of action at any one time, and people get them back from microsoft within a couple of weeks....so that wouldn't stop them buying games

5.  How many people Will wait in line for consoles, to have multiple consoles in their house? Wait in line multiple times, for the same thing. I dont know many people willing to do that, and in all honesty, I cant even think of many people on here who would do that. I have 2 PS3s, but that is for networking them together and playing games together, not to have one in the bedroom. Overall, with the demand for the Wii, I just dont see how there could be a signifagnt % of people with more than one. I would also like to point out that the people who would be buying more than one, would also probibally be buying games. And I mean alot of games. Moral of the story, if you have more than 1 of the same console, your gonna be buying alot of games for it too. Not neccessarily, like i said, some families will have more than one Wii, and yes people will be doing that despite shortages...particularly near christmas (some may have bought a WIi ages ago, but they want another for the living room.

To sum your responce up.