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Lord Flashheart said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

 

So are we biased against MS? Maybe, but maybe you are biased for it, nobody is neutral, call us trolls and we got the same right to call you astroturfer.

Only just noticed this. Your analysis of windows is subjective but you're opinion. My point on here isn't if people hate MS or not. They have a lot of flaws and done a lot of bad things just like Sony but done a lot more good. Well Gates has and as people like to think he and MS are the same when slating him then it should be true for the good things he's done in his personal life.

People are free to hate MS (bit wierd hating a company but then again people love Britney Spears) but to constantly attack anything MS instead of having a discussion about a product is frustrating and a waste of time. Dislike them, dislike Natal but if you can't put your point across in a clever non-flammitory way and want to troll bugger off. It doesn't help.

Some of the best comments in this thread have been from sony fans and that surprised me as from what I've seen on here that's a rarity in an MS thread (or a sony thread) I'm only calling the ones trolls who are attacking and finding any hangups they can think off then passing them off as absolute fact why it will fail no ifs, ands or buts. The people who offer no insight into why it will fail other than for them because it's MS, or not Sony or ninty. The ones who can't force themselves to even contemplate anything positive and are here to cause trouble. If you think I was refering to you when I used the word "troll" then ask yourself why did you think that?

Feel free to think it won't work and say why not, but do it in a manner that allows the discussion to continue.
Think about how it will be used instead of saying "if i make the slightest movement it'll change channel, fail" or "I don't want to have to jump up and down on my settee to turn the sound up" Yes because that's how it'll be implimented.

Use a bit of intelligence and imagination.
Don't be stupid all your lives.

 

Maybe I should go into the sony threads and say the dil...Zit on a stick will fail in every single dil...Zit on a stick thread I can find.
Have a "Join the Anti Dil...Zit on a Stick campaign" logo in my sig?
Lets see what these same people say then

Might have the word troll in there?

This is the problem with forums (and this site is awful for it). Instead of discussing, people just want to force their opinions out onto others. I welcome all intellectual debate, and, the same for me, the patient and understanding people who are on the other side of an arguement usually have the most interesting things to say (for me).

I could talk about how cool I think Natal will be, and if only Natal-believers respond, that's okay, but they'll mostly say things I've thought of already. But then someone Anti-Natal comes, and they bring up some very cool, very valid points. AND they do it respectfully. That's how a mature forum should be.

I completely agree though, if people are going to just leave comments like 'Well MS sucks, so I don't want any of their products' can just stay away. What do you add with a comment like that? Or here's a better comment that was in this thread

"Replace controller? That will never happen. You need buttons for certain experiences.

Keep on dreaming microsoft."

Why can't you say why you think it will never happen? What experiences do you NEED buttons for, and why can't it be replaced? If you explained that out, the last comment wouldn't be trollish, but by not describing your thought process, it just makes you sound short-sighted.

Further, when others respond with their thoughts about why they think those experiences CAN be replaced, and that buttons aren't necessary, actually think it through, don't just dismiss it because you didn't agree in the first place. Actually think it through, and you might find some of your ideas were wrong, or not warranted, or maybe even reaffirm what you already believed in.