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bardicverse said:
kitler53 said:
metroid prime 3, metroid prime trilogy, punch out, the conduit, madworld, muramasa, no more heros, okami, ect and so forth. plenty of good "hardcore" games and none of them were particularly successful sales wise.

maybe, just maybe, the reason wii fit can blow past 20M with ease and great game like metroid struggled to make 1.5 is that the audience just isn't there. you can make a game for the wii as "bigger" and "badder" as you want but my mother (a wii owner) is still unlikely to buy it.

I cannot diagree more about No More Heroes being a "good game". What about Resident Evil 4, sold very well. Punchout isn't really hardcore, hell it really isn't much beyond casual.

well we can agree to disagree about no more heros.  and whatever about punchout's hardcore status.  was punchout small?  or recicled?  or terrible?  or made in a short time frame?  or with a constrained budget?  i'd say no an the OP seems to suggest that if a 3rd party will have instant success making a game without those.  i think not.