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Kasz216 on 10 November 2009
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Xoj said:
Soriku said:

Uh...why would you expect a KH side story on a different system than the one KH1 came out on to sell better than the first main title? Re: CoM was remade for the PS2 as a cash in, otherwise it wouldn't have taken them years to get to it. They didn't even bother lip syncing it right for the Western release unlike KH2. Hell, KH1 came out early in PS2's life while KH2 released when it was over 100 mil and still sold worse than KH1 so your userbase argument goes flying out the window. BBS isn't even going to come close to KH1 or KH2 numbers and that's the closest game to a main series KH so far, though for more reasons than it just not being a main title.

I mean...this argument is getting pretty sad at this point because it's just so easy to counter.

BBS won't be as huge but because of the piracy on the PSP not because the userbase.

same for 358/2 days, its on 100 million handheld full of kids, but it's not selling mainly because of the piracy, similar to KH2 it sold less due piracy.

yet the ps2 wasn't as easy to hack as the PSP or DS are.

as RE:COM Was released in japan with final mix kh2, a year after release of the american KH.

Crisis core sold over 2 million on the PSP, even if didn't have FF7 in it (until recently PSN Release), low user than the PS1 and high piracy and it's not mainline game. but a prequel.

u haven't counter anything :)

@kaz, my point was many bought kingdom hearts because it was FF game made by square enix, and my thread proves my point, now u move the goal saying this is a heavy otaku forum of niche RPGs.

yet KH it's not a niche RPG, it  have mainline FF series characters in it. then you say it doesnt matter cuz it "marketing" was very disney therefore it's for casuals, i reply it had cloud and sephiroth fighting. while the marketing was very disney, the gameplay, story are not- they are drives modes, decks combinations, skills, many equipments, summons. plus a hardcore fight with sephiroth in the coliseum.

u consider mario a casual game? LBP? at most u can say they are bridge titles, liked by both.

FF and KH are similar in that aspect. while the core gamers love it, it got the attention of certain casuals players but casuals are not the main mover. in contrast to game like wii fit.

u guys all saying thing like you totally believe it's like that no questions asked, yet don't show me numbers (good luck trying to find them).

and talk about marketing, and kids demography, ignoring all FF RPG players, it's huge amount. and kh was a new game at the time, avoid by many because it was disney, until it got popular way after release.

yet com, even with 2 those things it's not on par, with mainlines kh,it should sold at least 3 million having all the ingredients to sell. userbase, casual marketing, demography.


Wait.  So your saying you DON'T think this site is biased towards RPG fans rather then Disney fans?

Once again. 

The game was mostly bought by Disney fans.  I've already showed you actual data that supports my arguement.

You've shown... nothing.

 

Once again.  The sales paterns of KH1 excludes Final Fantasy fans being a main driver of sales.

 

KH1 sales were NOT frontloaded.  It sold like a New IP.  Ergo it didn't sell like a Finalfantasy title or spinoff.  Ergo final fantasy hype was NOT a main driver of sales.

It's fairly simple.

 

KH1 sold 400K first week and went on to sell 1.24.  Even in japan it wasn't Final Fantasy based... where Disney holds much less sway then it does in other regions.

It's not like NONE of the sales went to Final Fantasy fans.  However that amount was not a main driver.  2.5 million is a VERY high estimate.  I'd be surprised if it was anymore then 1 million.