Will NSMB Wii will be GOTY of 2009? PSSIBLE?

[Ail]

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68soul said:

Ail said:

Kenryoku_Maxis said:

68soul said:

Steroid said:

 

Why does someone have to be a hater or a snob to think that another game seserves GOTY over NSMB?

 

There's an amazing world of gaming out there being played on non-Nintendo consoles too. You don't need to be a "snob" to know that.

 

 

Are you kiddin' me?

For years and years since i'm reading videogames news and websites on the net, all i see is Nintendo's hardwares and softwares named "kiddie" and now "casual", and globally dismissed by a self-proclaimed "gaming elit"... it was already the case in the GC-GBA generation (when Nintendo was gently asked to go "out of business"), and even with the success of Wii-DS, and everything they did right for this industry and for the gamers, it's still not good enough to be treated with some respect...

I mean c'mon, just read some Wii reviews, look at Metacritic and most of the most famous websites: it's all about being "hardcore" and "mature" and stuff: if a game is in 2D, if a game is colourful, if a game is rated E, then it's treated like some thing of the past, that may still have its place on the market to please retro gamers or families or Nintendo fans, but not the "real hardcore" gamer...

The fact that such games may be brillantly designed, may have beautiful and fluid graphics, may need the same skills or even more skills to be completed, and may bring more fun than your typical shooter or RPG out there, seems totally irrelevant in the eyes of yes, "gaming snobs"...

Now, you're right, there are many other excellent games released each year, on any platform, and ALL OF THEM deserve praises and respect... but what i was sayin' is that most Nintendo games are treated as they were "out of touch" with what the "real gamers" may want, or may vote as GOTY in this case... when in fact, when everything's said and done, it's all about tastes, preferences, and of course, bias...

Well said.  To put it simply, only 3D games with snazzy graphics and who are deemed for 'hardcore' game players will be deemed game of the year.  Despite the fact that these games may only be played by 10% or even 5% of the gaming community.

well if you look at the data HD owners actually represent 50% or so of the gamers on consoles, not 5 or 10%...

 

 

Wow... just wow...

OK Ail, if you want to play that game, let's play: what's the total userbase for all the consoles out there?

Last gen, PS2 peaked around 130 millions, and let's say a small part of Xbox and Cube owners didn't have any PS2... add maybe some kids with a GBA and nothing else, and the total userbase was between 160 and 180 millions...

This gen, it's harder to estimate, as Wii and DS have created a new market, and attracted new consumers, and we also have PSP... but many gamers have two or three consoles, if not more, so let's say... between 170 and 200 millions: nearly the same or maybe a little higher than the previous gen...

 

Now, let's see the most successful games on PS3 and X360, based on VGC numbers:

Most successful exclusive on X360: Halo 3 - 10.3 millions... 5% of the total global userbase...

Most successful exclusive on PS3: MGS 4 - 4.28 millions... 2% of the global userbase...

Most successful HD crossplatforms: GTA IV (5.9+7.28) and Cod 4 (4.7+7.87)... around 13 millions each, so let's say 7% of the global userbase...

 

Dont' agree with something? Maybe you want to show me some games that sold to nearly 100% of any userbase?

Personally, i know only one: Wii Sports... and it's a very special case, don't even feel to need to point it, I KNOW...   :)

But back to Kenryoku_Maxis comment, he was totally right:

THE MOST SUCCESSFUL HD GAMES EVER DO NOT EVEN PLEASE 10% OF ALL THE GAMERS OUT THERE...

 

And even the most successful Nintendo games (NSMB DS, Nintendogs, Mario Kart Wii and DS, the main Pokemon games, Wii Fit, Wii Play, Brain Trainings) won't do way better: 5-10-15% of the global userbase, maximum... Wii Sports is the only exception, but it doesn't count because it's bundled...

So you see, the market has room for EVERYONE, but the "hardcore market" and the "hardcore userbase" isn't THAT huge: most of the best PS360 games have sold between 500k and 1.5 million copies, and that's not even 1% of the global gaming market...

But players in that 1% "elite" do really think they're "special", that's for sure... but are they more important than any other gamer out there?

No, not at all... you buy more games than most, maybe, but usually, when you're too young, you don't have the money, and when you're older, you don't have the time anymore... so...

And btw, why don't you try to make a parallel with movies, records, books: don't you think that it's normal that every style has the right to exist, mainstream just as niche, classical or modern, blockbuster or essai?

I think it's normal, they all have a reason to exist: to please all the very, VERY different people living on Earth... and gaming is for EVERYONE as well, it's not THAT special... kids need games too, women need games too, fathers and mothers need games too, people who like platformers, puzzles, rpgs, strategy, simulation, action/adventure, shooters, same thing... EVERYONE...

Get it?

EH I was just answering to the guy claiming only 5% of gamers liked pretty graphics.

Based on the HD console adoption, having a console that is able to output stuff like U2 or Gears seems to be important to more than a few percent of the gamers out there.

People need to stop acting like everyone is on a crusade to get the Wii when facts are, this gen, half the gamers haven't gone for the Wii.

And it turns out that those gamers usually are more active in the community and are more involved in votes and stuff for Goty....