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Final-Fan said:
Slimebeast said:
Final-Fan said:
Slimebeast, you really have to address my point that physicists say they have PROVEN that there is randomness in quantum physics. Not pseudo-randomness like rolling dice, but actual TRUE randomness.

Why do you think they are wrong?

No they havent or else there wouldn't be room for deterministic theories about the universe. And there is.

So your response is just "no they are wrong", no criticism of the math but simply the assertion that it must not be true? 

See below.
ultima said:
Slimebeast said:
Final-Fan said:
Slimebeast, you really have to address my point that physicists say they have PROVEN that there is randomness in quantum physics. Not pseudo-randomness like rolling dice, but actual TRUE randomness.

Why do you think they are wrong?

No they havent or else there wouldn't be room for deterministic theories about the universe. And there is.

Yes, they have proven it. Bell's theorem.

Hidden variables. There could be stuff in the fifth dimension that causes the particles to behave in what to us seems randomly or in a probabilistic manner.