BBC: Horizon - Consciousness and free will

[Slimebeast]

Rath said:

Slimebeast said:

 

I don't believe in the concept of randomness. Is there anything in our world that has been proven to behave randomly?

In quantum physics I believe the obsrved particles acting what looks to be randomly (or particle reactions that seem to have certain % chances to have different outcomes) is actually caused by unknown factors.

Well quantum has been proven to be probabilistic as much as it is possible to prove anything is not deterministic.

Under your set of rules you could claim anything non-deterministic is caused by hidden variables, as such proving that anything is non-deterministic would be impossible. The burden of proof is actually on you to prove that quantum is not probababilistic.

Well, I don't believe in the concept of probabilism either. Like stuff being 'random' it's just an observation.

Lots of phenomenons can be described as probabilistic from one level of observation (like discussed in this thread, for example different outcomes of neuron activity) but from another level of observation they usually have some cause that doesn't reveal itself in the first level of observation.

Of course on the level of observation of quantum physics as we are doing it now the behaviour of the particles is probabilistic. But just like the neurons that doesn't say there's not a concrete cause on another 'hidden' level. I believe there's a concrete cause.