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ctalkeb said:
Kasz216 said:

It's not uncontroversial to say almost anybody who has giant mainstream appeal isn't talented. 

The almost famous quote above explains it fairly enough.  It's mostly just a biproduct of people being jealous that so many people like something.

SOME later famous pieces are considered classics now... but not many... and the reasons almost universally are that they did something fairly unique that later caught on big.

Once again, news stories and daily conversations only come from 2 things.  Quality and being what people want... and you need both to get said hype.

I have never said that "almost anybody who has giant mainstream appeal" is untalented.

Almost famous quotes are pretty ridiculous to use as an absolute truth. Defending your (or anyone's) work by saying "you're just jealous" wouldn't be taken seriously anywhere.

Your third point in that post? What on earth are you basing that on?

Your fourth? No. That's just plain wrong. News stories come from being able to sell papers/advertising spots. The quality of whatever is being written about has nothing to do with it. Daily conversations? The come from the media and whatever is exciting to talk about. Again: not related to quality. They might be, but that's not the point.

Also, teutologies are teutological.

 

It's not defending work.  It's just the case.  People are largely jealous about the mainstream.  Partly for their success... and partly because most people who is part of a niche hates it when the general public invades in their domain.

As for the classics thing?  In general knowledge of what's popular and knowing a lot about literature and art and the like.  It simply becomes more mainstream later.

And, i'm not wrong.  You are. 

For something to be talked about... it has to be worthy of being talked about.  To be worthy to talked about it has to be quality or at the very least seem like it is quality. (Since not all products can be sampled before you write a story about them.) 

What you don't understand is that making something worthy of being talked about IS quality.  You can sell papers and ads because of the quality of the thing being written about.  Your too caught up in one specific definition of paint by the numbers quality.