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ChichiriMuyo said:
Ah, so what you are saying is that you've never played M:tG then, right Words? It only goes that route if that's how you want to play, and any good player who just wants to have fun can always find someone else looking for just the same.

Also, if you were an actual player you'd be aware that 1st and 2nd turn wins are very, very rare outside of vintage, unless you take a really bad deck to a tournament/suck at the game. Of course, almost no one plays vintage competitively because it's not supported for any major tournaments whatsoever. Of course, when there is a sizeable vintage tournament it's a godsend that the games end by the third turn because the decks are so complex that it actually takes upwards of 5 minutes for a really good player to complete a single turn.

Really, if you had any idea what tournament Magic is like you'd never make that claim. The majority of Magic players never even go to a tournament according to WotC's marketing research, and the game is so balanced now that it's fairly rare that you can even build a tournament legal deck capable winning in the first two turns. Even if the opponent didn't play a single card.

Honestly, you simply don't know a thing about M:tG if your view on it is that there is no casual player base and that everybody is winning or losing in the first two turns.

Yes, of course, because my experiences are different from yours I must have no idea of what I'm talking about.

I played MTG for a while with a group of 10+ players, 3 of which were type 1 (vintage) tournament players who ran power and 2 of which are type 2 tournament players. The 3 type 1 players were eventually uninvited simply due to the fact they ripped the fun out of the game and even their "casual" decks had engines going. I have no interest in playing with someone who drops mox and swings for the win with a combo on turn 2.

There are fine lines between a fun casual deck, a non-casual deck, and a tournament deck. Very much akin to the difference between a simple nightmare/zombie deck, a Cowardice/Triskellion/Mycosynth deck, and power nine deck.

Also, accusing someone of not knowing what their talking about destroys your own credibility.