Kenryoku_Maxis said:
outlawauron said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
outlawauron said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
outlawauron said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
outlawauron said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
outlawauron said:
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-Final Fantasy being 'JRPG flagship franchise' is arguable. In Japan, its Dragon Quest. In America, Final Fantasy already is losing dominance to series such as Namco's Tales series, Atlus titles such as Disgaea and of course, the machine that is known as Pokemon.
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Come on now. Please don't tell me you actually believe that crap.
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Uh...many of the same people who are heavy console RPG fans play both series. I already know countless people who have passed up major Final Fantasy releases for Tales games, Disgaea sequels, Persona, Fire Emblem or the other major title I named, Pokemon. Why else do you think many of the Final Fantasy remakes and sequels as of late have been of such low sales (aside from the obvious oversaturation)? FFIVDS, FFTactics Advance 2, FFTactics Remake, etc. These all underperformed beyond expectations.
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lol, that's good. Compare the sales of remakes to the full fledged titles in their respective series. Let's see when Final Fantasy XIII sells more than every Tales game, every game Atlus has ever published, Fire Emblem, and I could go on.
Let me know whenever a Tale, a Disgaea, or Persona sells over 2 million in the West. Or even 2 million worldwide.
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Okay guys, get all huffy if you want, but I provided multiple examples. And that was the point. Each subsequent major FF game has sold less. And the non main FF games are also not selling as well as projected to. Why? Because they aren't the #1RPG on the block anymore. There's major competition now adays. If you think these other series aren't worthy of being considered just because they haven't sold multi-millions yet, then that's your problem. But there's also something to be said when there's 10 major RPG series buying for the spot where only 1-2 previously competed with FF in the SNES/PSX gens.
ANd you still haven't accounted for the loss in sales at any rate. Are you wanting to just blame it all on oversaturation of the series?
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But Tales is in a huge decline and other series are also in a decline such as Disgaea and Star Ocean. The only JRPG series that is on the upswing, that I can think of, is Persona. That has more to do with exposure through the net though. I really don't think down FF sales are because of more compeitition, because if that was true, then the other series would have picked up. (which isn't the case)
And, the SNES/PSX were a lot more crowded than what we currently have. Especially on the quality front.
And what you're comparing is entirely stupid. You can not compare remakes to main titles. Compare the FF4 remake on DS to the Tales of Eternia remake on PSP. Over 1 million vs. 300k.
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First of all, I wasn't comparing any indavidual FF games to any indavidual games in any other series. My original point was to say that FF games were losing dominance because a number of other RPG series (combined) had come along to challenge its dominance by giving a number of examples.
Second of all, I don't think Tales is in a 'huge decline'. All JRPGs on the 360 didn't sell well. Hence why they're being ported to the PS3 now. However, if you're going by the sales of Tales of Symphonia 2, maybe you have something there.
Also, I don't think Final Fantasy had as much competition on the SNES/PSX front. Since a lot of the competition either wasn't as popular or was made by Square or the later company that would be merged with Square (Enix). And especially if you're going to make a big stink that series like Tales or Atlus based series aren't major players, then what kind of competition did Final Fantasy ever have beyond DQ or Pokemon?
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I understand that, but the sales of those other series are not increasing either. (with the exception of Persona which I mentioned)
I think Tales is a huge decline due to waining popularity of the series in Japan. It seems that the sales get worse with each and every generation. I mean the ones on PS1 almost sold 1 million only in Japan! Abyss sold a little over 600k, and we both know Graces or Vesperia will not come close to that.
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Again, I think your confusing waining popularity with companies making bad marketing decisions. Most of the major Japanese developers this gen stuck their major RPG releases on consoles like 360 and PSP, skipping over Nintendos platforms for the first few years. When clearly Nintendos platforms were the more popular (in Japan and otherwise). This doesn't Mean Tales is in decline, it just means they didn't target their fanbase and paid the price (just like most RPG companies). But also like most RPG companies, Namco is porting their games super quick to other consoles.
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Who stuck their major RPG releases on PSP in the early years? I can't think of a single one.
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Namco, KOEI, Atlus, Konami, etc. Heck, Tales of Eternia PSP came out in 2005 in Japan.
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