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Kasz216 on 21 September 2009
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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:

Original post your argueing.

 

"In general liberals due seem rather apathetic towards Israel. Quite a few heavier leaning left wing people blame Israel for the middle east hating us... and think if we just gave them the heave ho and let the country die the middle east would suddenly like us."


Additionally the rest of your post... actually proves my  point.  Disliking Israel inheriantly liberal since it is different from the conservative and moderate viewpoints.

 


  No, actually your argument has no proof, you assume that its the liberal view, you have nothing to back that up, you haven't shown that they are liberal, they could be conservatives who disagree with other conservatives, or moderates who disagree with moderates.

If they were conservatives or moderates who disagreed with other conservatives or moderates why is there nearly no indication of those beliefs in the republican base?

That's not an assumption.  It's called basic statistical logic.

You are basically argueing that Liberals, Conservatives and Moderates all agree....

except for democratic conservativse and moderates for some reason.

 

Additionally warfare that is conducted because you think a threat is going to happen (like Iraq) is seen as wrong by Liberals... correct?

So your argueing that the percentage of people who see Israel as our enemy in some way isn't part of the group that sees Israels attacks on Palestine as wrong?

 

Also since "Self identifying" can't be used.  You are basically argueing that nothing can be presumed about liberals... at all...

and that for all we know liberals could really be pro-choice, anti-guncontrol nutjobs.

If its not an assumption then show me...there are plenty of moderates and conservatives who don't belong to the GOP, so assuming that the GOP would have similar levels of those people, is a fallacy.  You're not showing statistical logic, that is just pulling numbers out of the air.

No I'm not arguing that they agree, I'm arguing that you don't know what political viewpoints those 7% have, so assuming its liberals is an unsubstantiated leap.

Its also seen as wrong by Libertarians, yet I don't see you commenting on their views.  And I don't expect you to, because you don't have any proof of their affiliation, you would have to see how they vote on a variety of issues first.

I'm saying you can't use self identification, but people's viewpoints on a spectrum of issues and their voting behavior can be used, if people tend to vote on a wide variety of issues as liberal then they are probably liberal, same for conservatives and moderates, however you can have people who are anti-abortion, but believe in big government, so trying to pick a particular issue and label them with a viewpoint based on that one view is a fallacy.

 

Libretarians aren't democrats not in large numbrs anyway.  Libretarians likely factor into the republican side of things though.   Yes.  Which actually further proves MY point.

 

Studies like the ones you states don't exist.  So for all we know libretarians could be the anti-abortion democrats in your mind.

 

Here's another one though...

Liberals (yes self identifying) have the lowest favorability rating towards Israel in America of any political affiliation. (Pew global research study.)

Even assuming some people self idetify wrong... a LOT of people would have to self identify wrong for this to be a "mistake".

Additionally being apathetic as in... not supporting... Israel is as  you yourself have just admitted... a Liberal tenant.  Just like it's a Libertarian tenant.