The fight over Darwin - Teaching evolution in schools

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appolose said:

Rath said:

appolose said:

Rath said:
Can you give me an example of such a contradictory observation (doesn't have to be a real example - just one which doesn't break the laws of logic and would cause either discarding science or accepting the supernatural).

Matter cannot be created physically, matter came into existence at some point.

That does not require the discarding of science or the supernatural. Rather it requires that the laws of physics we use are not eternal.

For one thing they are confined to our universe, for another in the earliest moments of the universe mathematical models show that the current laws of physics would not have held anyway. Where everything came from does require further study and explanation but it certainly doesn't require science to accept the supernatural.

So no, that example doesn't hold true for the requirements I gave you.

To assume that they are not constant would be contradictory to our pretended observation of them being constant.  In that instance would it be discarding the assumption of the trustworthiness of empiricism.

That's factually incorrect if the math works out as Rath said; empiricism can be trusted now, but it wasn't the same in the first picosecond (or whatever) of the universe.