The fight over Darwin - Teaching evolution in schools

[Final-Fan]

Khuutra said:

appolose said:

Khuutra said:

appolose said:

Khuutra said:

I don't need to. What you're talking about is revelation - you believe God spoke to you?

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@final-fan

JESUS HELLNATION JEHOSEPHAT

Not so much spoke, but more of undeniably forced it into me.

And, lol, what's the surprise about?

That is primarily where we diffr, I suppose: I would question God to His face, and believe I was right for doing so.

Most of the surprise is that you two went on for several hundred posts with that stuff.

Actually, I'm referring to a slightly different type of revelation: I cannot question it.  I have absolutely no ability to.  If it were one that I could, I would probably at least the very least sympathize with your response to it.

Yeah, that debate was a pretty good size :p

That's.... difficult for me to imagine, I admit. A very interesting thing you're describing.

I will share my reason, then: I question because I have to. It's because of how I interpret the story of Jacob, and also how I intrpret the story of Abraham.

It's also why I cannot believe that you are literally unable to question it.

I'm pretty sure that after scads and scads of missteps, wrong turns, and dead ends, we got down to two basic problems:  

He says that one's being incapable of doubting something means that it is epistemological knowledge, and I disagree.  (I wasn't clear on whether the no-doubt was a symptom or cause of it being knowledge.)   

I have a problem with how to tell the difference (even to oneself) conclusively whether you can't doubt it (in his proposed way) or you just aren't  doubting it for whatever reason (which he agrees isn't knowledge).  

^ Or rather, I have a problem with the fact that you can't.   

And that's not even going into his criticisms (of my own side).