Well say with Forza 2 it came with every pro console sold for a short time and it was not possible to get the console without Forza 2. For bundles such as Halo 3 that was not the case as people whom wanted it got it however they could still get the pro by itself. So one could get the console stand alone or with Halo 3 but with Forza 2 it was standard with every pro console sold.
It's clear to me what the difference is however my IQ does exceed that of a banana.







