2009- the worst year for 360 exclusives?

[S.T.A.G.E.]

shio said:

selnor said:

It's because the PC version doesn't affect the console version. And before you say, well my sale is lost because I'll buy on PC. That is honestly not the case generally. In fact look at the dismal PC sales of a game on both and it's very clear that maybe 2000 sales at the most would be lost for the 360 version being on PC also? Look at COD4. It was embarrasing for PC in sales.

What dismal PC sales? PC game sales have been increasing well, even now in the middle of a recession, where Steam is growing around 100% while consoles game sales are declining.

Some people believe the PC version of COD4 will reach around 10 millions lifetime (including myself), and there's a guy in the forum that claims he saw an interview for a foreign mag where an Activision dude said the PC version sold over 8 millions a few months ago. COD4 is still selling well, and was in Steam's Weekly Top 10 Sellers a couple of weeks ago.

Call of Duty 4 will not ever reach 10 million copies sold lifetime on the PC. There is no proof of it and if Activision said it, please show it to me. I don't doubt that 10 million people are already using it right now....pirated. Please show me links of the PC recorded sales. The Xbox 360 is the only console that has outstanding sales for that game at 7.74 (nearly 8 million) Million copies sold. I think you have the 360 and PC sales mixed up.

 

S.T.A.G.E. said:

He doesn't realize that he's arguing for nothing. He's basically telling the world and Microsoft themselves that they are wrong as long as it fits his view that he cannot make sense out of. It is both a multiplatform and a console exclusive. He's putting PC and consoles into one basket when the PC form is separate from consoles. Consoles are dealt with amongst themselves. Regardless of what he thinks, Microsoft still makes exclusive profit off of both forms. Sony doesn't profit off of it and neither does Nintendo. Sony owners nor Nintendo owners can play it, so as consoles stand it is exclusive. The dumbest and most  ignorant thing anyone could ever say about Final Fantasy VII is that it wasn't a console exclusive to the PSX. He ignores the term console exclusive.

Consoles and PC affect each other's sales more than you think. Especially considering the fact that consoles have never been so close to PC gaming than before, and Xbox 360 is much closer to a PC than to the Wii.

Hell, even Microsoft believes and admits that PC can affect greatly console sales. Their actions definitely support that, and even an MS European exec said that if they had released Halo 1 at the same time on Xbox and PC in Germany, 80% of the sales would've gone to PC.

-Console and PC multiplatform sales do not usually affect one another greatly.

-While what you say about Halo might be true (I don't know without a link), it was Microsofts and Bungies intention to create the first Non-PC shooter that could utilize the best of what consoles had to offer, which at the time was the Xboxes power.

selnor said:

Dude seriously look at the sales. It tells all. They release it first on consoles mainly because thats where the sales come from. They put most effort to getting the console version done on time and then bring PC later. They see the same sales we do, so there is no way they release it later because of sales. LOL

Alan Wake went exclusive because M$ wanted Remedy to get the most out of the 360 game graphically. It must of worked to, because there are some graphics whores who dont believe the 360 is that strong for graphics calling certain screenshots PC screenshots. Even though it's confirmed as 360 screen. If you put all resources into a game for the major selling platform first, you will get better return.

Maybe you should think a little. Why do you think some people release the console versions before the PC versions? It's not really that hard to understand.

S.T.A.G.E. said:

@ Scoobes

1. Alan Wake is being completely published by Microsoft, so they have a right to cut off the PC version. Usually the reason for doing this is because they want the game to be synonymous with the Xbox 360.

2. Gears of War 2, Halo 3 and Fable 2 are the same as follows with number one, either by Publishing, Epic Games own accord or by exclusivity contract. To block off a game from PC and have it exclusive is to be wholly exclusive. When it is Xbox 360/PC exclusive, it is a console exclusive and not wholly exclusive.

3. Of course PC versions affect the sales of the 360. It isn't much of an effect but still one nonetheless. Microsoft profits off of the software anyway, no matter which platform you get it for. If they withdraw the game from PC could also be that the platform is not getting the proper sales to be supported.

4. Final Fantasy VII was a console/PC exclusive. As I said before, it wasn't wholly exclusive.

5. The reason Microsoft tends to have Xbox 360/PC exclusive (Like Mass Effect 2) is because they tend to acquire the services of PC devs more than Sony (because Microsoft before they entered the console arena used to work with and publish PC games). The devs in turn make games with the 360 in mind instead of the PC. Valve is the same. Microsoft has been publishing PC games since the 80's. When they make a game sometimes the game is wholly exclusive and sometimes it is a console/ PC exclusive.

1. "to be synonymous with the Xbox 360" is such a terrible excuse. Companies only care about profit, and this "synonymity" you speak of is about getting the most profit, because they believe that PC would've taken away a good chunk of the sales.

-Should Microsoft leave their console high and dry. They didn't even expect the 360 to be in the position that it is in today. Microsoft realizes that the 360 is a solid investment, despite their vendetta with Sony at the moment. They did want all of their top games whether published by them, in-house or by third parties with exclusivity contracts to be synonymous with the Xbox 360 name. There isn't anything wrong with that. It has already been proven that the majority of PC gamers are too busy pirating games to buy a fresh copy for themselves. You couldn't care less about the 360, which is why you could never understand why Microsoft would want their titles synonymous with the name.

2. Do you want to know how stupid the "console exclusive" term is?
A PC exclusive means that it is exclusive to PCs.
A Xbox 360 exclusive means that it is exclusive to Xbox 360s.
A Console exclusive means that it is exclusive to Consoles!! That means that it is not coming to PC.
You can't use "console exclusive" to coin a PC/X360 game, or any game that is shared with the PC.
Halo 3 is console exclusive because it's not coming to PC, while Mass Effect is on PC and is not exclusive to consoles, capiche? This crap bothered me almost as much as the idiots that believed the turn of the century was in 1999->2k.

After a lot of thought, I actually agree. The term "console exclusive" can be very misleading and you make a great point here. Halo three is not just a console exclusive, because as you said console exclusives excludes PC's. It was exclusive to the rest of the consoles as well as PC, which makes it exclusive, period. This is using your logic though. On consoles the Xbox 360 has exclusives that no other console has themselves. PC may have it, but in the console realm it is still exclusive. This is wy Microsoft calls PC/360 titles PC/360 exclusives. I understand your point Shio...but the question is whether you can understand mine now that I have clarified it?

 

3. So you fully admit PC sales affect console sales.

Yes

4. FFVII isn't exclusive at all.

it is exclusive to the PSX on consoles. It is a multiplatform game regarding PC though.

5. The reason there's PC/360 games is because there's money to be made on PC, even if they're late releases of consolized games.

No. The reason there are PC /360 exclusive games is because Microsoft acquires PC titles from devs and has them made for the 360 console as well. Microsoft is getting into digital downloads because they haven't been that impressed with PC sales as of late. Modded Xbox 360's are starting to get on their nerves as well. This is why they ban the hell out of people who mod or steal games now.