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highwaystar101 on 08 September 2009
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halogamer1989 said:
highwaystar101 said:
halogamer1989 said:
It will never fly with the Progressive Caucus pulling Pelosi and Obama's strings. The Dems don't understand competition and basic econ. Private corps against the govt option = government advantage b/c they can print $$$. Small bizs who provide healthcare will put ppl on the g.o. because it will add to the bottom line. Medium sized small bizs who provide great private healthcare will be hit with the 8% payroll tax for the new hires that aren't yet covered forcing layoffs adding to unemployment.

"Compassion bills" don't usually end up matching reality. You can see that with the history of the income tax under Roosevelt (only 1% tax we promise!), the Great Society under Johnson, and all the rest of the AA BS including the disastrous CRA.

Democrats don't understand competition and basic economics? Seriously? So is this a basic rule that all Democrats must obey by or something? I bet you think all Democrats are "filthy pinky commies" too. Just because it's different to your economic philosophy doesn't mean it's wrong. Of course they understand economics, they understand it just as well as any Republican does, they just have a different take on it to you, it doesn't mean they don't understand it.

I don't support either the Democrats or Republicans, I think they are both very bad parties, quite frankly the USA needs a third party. But I often side with the Democrats over the Republicans simply because the hardcore Republicans can be so condesending to them at times, like this statement was.

Come on.  The US has several third parties.  The way US political history is no 3rd party will ever win here.  With economics, I am arguing based on ECON 101 priniples.  Dems use that 1930s Keynesian bullcrap and the GOP uses Austrian economics.  I already overhead small biz owners in my home county saying that if the 8% pr tax is part of the bill it would force him to layoff his employees thus adding to the public (govt) option which in turn leads to long lines and eventually rationing like the NHS.  Obama stated in 2003 he wanted this and this year Barney Frank said that HR 3200 is the best way to get single payer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98

Read Ezekiel Emmanuel's (Obama's Chief Advisor on Healthcare) report on heath rationing here: http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/PIIS0140673609601379.pdf

This isn't even amusing any more.

By economics 101 I think you mean Republican economics 101. I mean most of developed Europe uses fairly Keynesian economics and countries like Britain, France and Germany can't just be tossed aside, they all have primarily private mixed economies with a heavy government influence and it works well. 

As for rationing, the rationing in the UK is reasonable, everyone gets access to a reasonable amount of healthcare, logically you have to draw a line somewhere so costs aren't going to spiral out of hand. For example if two drugs exist which have the same effect, but one is twice as much as the other, then the sensible policy is to use the cheaper one. You've taken logical policies out of hand.

What are the statistics for doctors in America who have turned away patients because they have no money or insurance? Surely this is a more insane and inhumane way to provide healthcare than rationing. The 7 million Americans who stand to lose their health insurance over the next year due to the recession wont even get the chance to get any treatment (outside of medicaid of course). This is partly the inneficiency that Kenyesian economics talks about, people could die in a private healthcare system because they have no access to healthcare, in a public one they will.

I'm just glad the USA has medicaid.