Do you think that wii haters hate the console or Nintendo itself

[Kenny]

KylieDog said:
Probably the lack of high quality and consistant third party support, the lack of HD visuals, motion controls and a terrible online system compared to Sony/MS.


I will make note of the "high quality and consistant" remark because I know someone will list off a few games and think that handful compares to the crapload that PS3/360 get. They do not.

I agree with that statement, but that is mostly the fault of the third parties at large.  Nintendo did their part by creating a system with a large userbase, and won this generation with the entire deck stacked against them.  Third parties responded by treating the Wii as a shovelware dumping ground.

As for the non-HDness of the Wii, graphical quality is a means to an end, not an end unto itself.  I agree that the rest can be seen as negatives.