Pachter: Core Wii audience only want Nintendo games

[Onyxmeth]

sc94597 said:

Onyxmeth said:

sc94597 said:

 

I believe I specifically said that you were right about Nintendo having a fan base that will buy just about anything from them. I doubt the people who bought Endless Ocean were part of that fanbase though. Oh and YES I do say that Madworld is more niche than Endless Ocean. I remember a few months ago I was playing the game, and my brother said the game would be better if it wasn't in black and white. I told him that one of the main selling points was that it WAS that it was black and white, and he said that it was stupid that they made it that way. Now he is the so called "hardcore" that plays CoD and Halo only, with a little guitar hero on the side, so I don't know if he counts. Also you still didn't answer any of my questions. Would these games do better on the 360 or PS3? Name me some big series 3rd party games on the Wii. The only answer is that these titles are Niche. Why else would other 3rd party games like Resident Evil 4 and Umbrella Chronicles(both part of a big series, and one is a port the other a spinoff) outsell them? Also to be honest, Nintendo has proven themselves to the Wii audiences(other wise they wouldn't own a Nintendo console) 3rd parties haven't. It is quite obvious there would be a bias toward the company players bought the console for. Just look at the bias toward Bungie and Epic games on the 360. What about Kojima, Insomniac or Naughty Dog games on the playstation. It might not be as big as Nintendo made theirs, but it is still there. To be honest, if these publishers were as big as Nintendo, I have no doubt that they would have the same amount of control.

 

@Gansito I am not doubting that the 360 has niche titles, I'm saying it has many more mainstream ones than the Wii. I'm also saying that niche titles, unless they have a big publisher to back them up, don't sell well on any platform.  Let me note this aswell, at least half those games you mentioned  bigger than almost all the Wii's "core" third party games.

Call of Duty: World at War. The game is more or as popular as anything on the 360 and PS3. It's moderately successful on the Wii. It can't be described as niche. Now give me the explanation as to why it couldn't capture the same sales magic without using differences in the demographic that wants the game, since that's my excuse.

It is a multiplatform game that's predecessor wasn't released on the Wii. The predecessor being one of the games that was targetted as the best on PS3 and 360. The Wii only had the extremely mediocre version of Call of Duty 3, which was already outcasted by fans to start with.  Not only that, but it had gimped online modes, and poor advertising at the start. The only thing going for it was controls, and you can get that with the PC version.  It only makes sense that it would sell worst. Not that it sold poorly though, it is one of the best selling third party Wii games, and only is that because it is one of the few Mainstream series.

So what you're saying is that there is backlash because Activision skipped Modern Warfare on Wii, thus condemning the series for life? World At War is a self-contained game with a self-contained story. It's set in a different era than Modern Warfare is. It has all the characteristics of a game that shouldn't fail because the last one didn't show up on a certain console. Regarding Call of Duty 3, it had a lot of negative backlash on the HD consoles also. It's regarded as the main reason why people don't trust Treyarch. So it's not just the Wii. That game got negative backlash all across the board. Regarding advertising, I saw commercials everywhere. I don't know where you were looking for them.

However, hidden within your topic, you've kinda proven me right. You said the game had gimped online, which obviously would never affect the sales of other such blockbusters like New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. This kind of negative thinking and feeling of not getting everything you could have only seems to apply to third party published titles. Then you go to controls and mention it's a benefit for the Wii but is even better for the PC, so they will buy it there. What this adds up to is common knowledge stuff that core buyers know about the Wii, thus they don't buy one, or they don't buy one for those types of games. That was my point.

Here's what I'd like you to tell me. If Modern Warfare released on Wii back in 2007, do you think it would have sold roughly 7 million copies? Do you think there are 7 million potential buyers for something like that on the Wii or not?