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highwaystar101 on 12 August 2009
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Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:

A) You enjoy taking things I've said out of context don't you? It's not this first time you've done it by far. I mean what direct costs do muslims incur for the government? Shall I start making tenuous arguements based on taking things you've said out of context? Hey everyone, Kasz says that if you don't smoke you should die at an earlier age anyway because it is cheaper for the government.

B) No they are not. Not by any means

C) You don't seem to understand that Holland and UK are different places. You can't deny that the government make a net gain of smokers at any rate. Whether they cost more or less than old people. And old people are supported by numerous other taxes, mostly national insurance though like rest f the NHS. And besides you don't seem acknowledge the fact that NHS is a humanitarian organisation and even though they get taxes of smokers and old people costs money it's part of their ethics to try to get people to live longer and more comfortably, which this tax on cigarettes allows them to do.

A) I took exactly what you said in the context you said it.

B) Yes they are. Those costs are personal costs only. Sick days and the like.

C) You are suggseting here that the government makes money off those who smoke to give others healthcare. So. In this situatation... your healthcare is being paid by someone who makes the same money as you but smokes. Is this fair? Or even someone who makes less money then you!

Because you know. Smoking taxes are actutually some of the most regressive taxes out there since the poor smoke in much greater numbers then the rich. People aren't being forced to pay for their treatment. They're being forced to pay for EVERYBODYs treatment.

These people would be better off with no cigarrette tax and be excluded from NHS from smoking related situations.

A. No you didn't Kasz,are you suggesting that Muslims are a direct cost to the government? Are you suggesting that I believe we should tax muslims. Of course I don't, muslims do not equal smokers. You take things out of context to make people look bad, you pick a small thing out and make it big to make them seem evil and sick. You've done it many times and that's exactly what this is.

B. Er, sick days are a BIG cost... Did you know that sick days cost the UK an estimated £10Bn per annum? £10Bn is not the kind of money you can just throw away.

C. Yes it's fair, they pay for their own healthcare withy the taxes they supply, just like everyone else who pays taxes for healthcare. When you think about it it's no different from taxing car users for using the roads. And this 'immoral social conditioning' arguement, any normal person would see that it is not an immoral tax. It's just tax like we tax anything else.