Piracy not theft because its a copy..

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Kasz216 said:

Is it stealing to purposefully make a copy of rice krispy treats?

I mean.  They sell those in stores.

If so... everyones mother should be in jail.

 

Intellectual propery laws are nessisary because for some reason we use the same model to sell infintly easy to duplicate things that have no "physical" costs as we do nearly impossible to copy stuff with a lot of physical costs.

Basically software and other such things should have a different model.  But until they do... it's the best we can come up with.  It's not theft though.

Hell it's hard to even argue it's abjectly wrong... but instead just currently wrong because of how screwed up our world is in trying to sell such products.

 

For an opposite example.  Child Labor.  Abolishing child labor in third world countries is actually wrong.  Everytime a government is pressured to do it... it just leads to the child death rates to skyrocket as orphans can't make money to live.

however is it really wrong to ban child labor?  No.  But because of the circumstances it is in that instance.

Piracy is wrong... but only because of the instance that people are trying to sell software... in reality a differnt buisness model should be used.  But because of special interest groups we have the situation we have now.

As such I won't pirate.  Since sales are how the devs get there money... but it shouldn't be that way.  Stuff like advertising during online play, sponserships and collecting money by sellinge beta keys and the like are the way it should work.

People are almost treating it as if someone tried to charge for a movie that was being shown in the middle of a public park.

 

Kasz216 also said:

Calling it immoral is stupid in my opinion.  You shouldn't do it because that's how people get paid... but immoral?

I mean... was it immoral when your mom made you rice krispy treats?

If you go to a restruant and have a really good meal... the recreate it at home is that stealing?

If you are one of those savants at painting... and you go to a muesuem and paint painting you've seen in the museuem... are you stealing from the muesuem?

To all of these questions... OF COURSE NOT.

Software piracy is simply illegal because it's easy.

There isn't as much profit in other forms of distribution. 

Computer games would mostly be made by people who just loved programming in their spare time... that and games run on advertising models like TV shows and Hulu.

Same with music and movies...

What's sad is that it's actually illegal to show a movie in the public park without paying. Also, I love how syou easily figure out that it's illegal because it's easy. If everyone could reproduce cars out of a roll of aluminum foil, I'm pretty sure that would be illegal too. I also love how nobody has yet to stop even though I pointed out that Jesus would have been considered a "pirate" by today's standard, nor has anyone tried to argue with me on that.

Thank god someone else sees the light though, both about how it's subjectively "wrong", and about advertising should be a revenue resource:

Seriously, read this post. I am a vocalist and songwriter for my upcoming band. I really don't want to be a casualty in this shitty piracy bullshit war:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2341960

Great minds think alike once again. Expect lots of friend requests from this thread.

 

Kasz216 said:

Wonktonodi said:
Fayec if you count it as money still in the economy then those who don't get it can count it as a loss. Save money is not the same as spent money. And can you say you saved 60 for gears or did you save 30 for it used or 20 or 10? all we know is you didn't spend money on something that you don't feel you need to have spent it on and I do.
If I were to pirate a million dollars worth of games that million dollars doesn't exist in the sense of saved money because i didn't have it to spend it the first place. But since I don't have it doesn't make me entitled to just take it. I'm done posting on this thread. I feel piracy is theft base on one of the definitions of theft and even if you choose not to follow that one it would still fall under piracy or copyright infringement. Both of which still illegal and to many in the world immoral. Yes morality has its gray areas since some people can find some very creative ways to justify it. I hope they catch the lot of you and slap you with the huge fines that make the amount you should have paid seem so much more reasonable. Funny how you might not have the money to make the choice to pay for it but you can't just copy money to pay the fines is the real thing or bankruptcy baby

Calling it immoral is stupid in my opinion.  You shouldn't do it because that's how people get paid... but immoral?

I mean... was it immoral when your mom made you rice krispy treats?

If you go to a restruant and have a really good meal... the recreate it at home is that stealing?

If you are one of those savants at painting... and you go to a muesuem and paint painting you've seen in the museuem... are you stealing from the muesuem?

To all of these questions... OF COURSE NOT.

Software piracy is simply illegal because it's easy.

There isn't as much profit in other forms of distribution. 

Computer games would mostly be made by people who just loved programming in their spare time... that and games run on advertising models like TV shows and Hulu.

Same with music and movies...