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superchunk said:
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BladeOfGod said:
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BladeOfGod said:
i am sick of people bitching about piracy.

The averige payment in Brazil is about 220-230 dollars. And one guy from Brazil told me that games cost about 120 dollars there.(the new ones) So you except someone to spend more than half of his payment just to get one game??? You people need to understand that not everyone can afford to buy games even thought they HAVE a job.

My *net* monthly income is about $500 that I can spend any way I like. That $500 won't buy me the  new 46" HDTV I've been wanting because the tv's I want are around $1500. I can choose to save my net income for a while to buy that tv or I can choose to eat out, go to movies, and do many other activities with my children.

I keep choosing the activities and still have an older SDTV.

Just because I can't afford what I want doesn't make it right to take it. That is just stupid.


if you could get your 46 HDTV for free you would do it, dont pretend like you wouldnt

Sure, if it were given to me, rightfully, with consent. That would be legal. I would never just take it or use my magic replication machine to copy it. That would be theft.

Hm... So if I could walk up to a TV in my house, and take a piece of cardboard from you that you bought at a store recently, and turn it into the same TV and give it to you, you wouldn't take it? I find that very hard to believe.

Believe what you will.

The fact is you would be making a copy of someone else work. The I would be obtaining that work without consent. It just isn't right. The originator deserves compensation for their work, ingenuity, etc.

If you don't see that basic moral issue, then you will always justify piracy as legal.

So wait, if you buy the TV used off of the same guy, how much money do the people who worked to make that TV get? Nothing.

How much money did the winery down the street make when Jesus turned water into wine? Nothing. Considering that I (along with 1/3 of the world) believe that Jesus was pure and never sinned, I don't see anything wrong with it.

The only reason I still buy games is because the industry is not yet totally corrupt (like the music industry). The talented people who work there still get paid somewhat well. You do know that renting games is just as bad to a developer as used games and piracy? Gamefly doesn't pay the developer for each time the game is rented. They pay a lump sum for a license to rent the game. So when you rent a game from GF, you don't give the developers any money. You just give GF more money. Same w/ movies. How many times have you rented a movie instead of seeing it in the cinema or buying it? According to your logic, you are taking money out of the pockets of all the people who made the movie, and are giving it to the people at Blockbuster. It's just not logical.

Should games still be paid for as oppossed to music? Yes, because there is no live version of videogames (Unless you count MMO's). So if you buy some of your games, I don't see the problem. Activision got my money for me buying GHIII, GH:A, GH:WT, GH:M, and GH:OT. If I pirate GH:OTD and GH:OTMH, but still buy $60 GH5 instead of those two $30 games, what's the problem? They're still getting just as much of my money as they would have.

But if I tried to save money buying all of those games used at GS (legally), the developer gets NONE of my money. I really do know people who buy every game they ever buy used. I (or someone in my family) have bought 24 Wii games, 23 of which were new, 17 360 games (14 of which were new), and 9 PS3 games (all new). I have yet to pirate a Wii, PS3, or 360 game. However, I did pirate Pokemon Platinum (DS), after buying 6 pokemon games. If I had to pay for it, I wouldn't have bought it, and my money still would have gone towards another game, Pokemon Revolution for example. I also pirated OoT. If I didn't pirate OoT, I wouldn't have had the money to buy Twilight Princess, and I wouldn't have known how good OoT is. The developer still gets the same amount of my money. I'm not making some huge imprint by doing so. I'm still giving devs more money than most other people do.

If I really like a game I pirated (like Trauma Center, for example), I buy it or it's sequel (Trauma Center 2: New Blood). On another page,I also copy games so my brother and I can play multiplayer on games without single-cart play (when it's easily possible for the developer to do so). I already bought the game. Why should I have to buy another of the same one to use all of the features?