How "hardcore" were the N64 and Gamecube?

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venepe said:
Hardcore games= realistic looking games, with high gore and violence, explicit language, complex controls, long hours for completion, online multiplayer support, *if the game is actually good then some of those requirements may be waived.

Casual games= colorful games, non violent, non realistic graphics, bland language, simple controls, short/quick games, local multiplayer, no/limited online, *if the game is actually good then it is still casual.

Hardcore games that bomb: ignored but still hardcore/labeled as poorly made/niche

Casual games that bomb: shovelware

This is a typical example of the misconceptions about what is "hardcore" and what is not. First of all, realistic graphics certainly don't = hardcore. Games with high gore and explicit language often attract the most juvenile of gamers. They almost certainly don't = hardcore either. Just because a game is colourful doesn't mean it's casual or indeed can't be played in a hardcore manner. Also, tell me why a non-violent game can't be hardcore? Bland language doesn't necessarily make a game casual either. Tetris has no language in it at all. So is that casual then? Your whole post looks like a thinly-veiled and misguided attack on the Wii for being casual whilst making it look like all HD games are "hardcore". At best your post is misguided and stereotypical . At worst it's ..... full of FAIL!