That's it! I have decided to start and finish Ocarina of time!

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Wii_R2_Hardcore said:

mikescrap12 said:

Samus Aran said:

I was talking to the one that said zelda:oot was more alive then zelda:tp

I just don't think that's true.

And the same goes for zelda: windwaker, the game looks to childish for me to even take it serious. And I think Zelda is a game that shouldn't be childish or have this cartoony graphics. Unless if it's on the ds of course because it looks better on it then if they tried realistic graphics.

you should realy save your opinion until you've played windwaker. its actually the most unique and individually beautiful game in the whole series. doubts about the cartoon theme go away literally within the first 5 seconds of playing this game, becuase so early on you come to realise just how amazingly well made this game is. the themes are unique, the sailing and exploring put you in this epic position with link which positively adds to the gameplay. the ideas put into the sidequests are original and everything about the world and adventure makes it one of the better if not best 3d zelda games.

Ocarina of time is the original, which without a certain degree of nostaliga to it, one cannot truly realise why its considered the best game ever. when it first came out it was so different to anything ever experienced. its the game that started everything and changed gaming as we no it. yes if we play it now 10 years on, we realise that the game has been improved and been made bigger but not necessarily better in countless of other adventure games which makes it increasingly difficult for first time players to appreciate it. so many aspects of its gaming have been copied in many other games aswell. the fact is this game originally set the bar. other games looked to build on this and improve any way possible. so players who have gone on to play this 10 years after its release for the first time struggle to appreciate what makes it such a masterpiece. because they've had the experience of playing modern games with better graphics, ever improving gameplay etc so theyve basically seen the concepts in this game copied and made much more powerful in modern games without realising that Oot started it all. they think okay i can play Tp for example, its bigger has better graphics, been polished up so therefore it must be better. but it seriously lacks the originiality and character in OoT. OoT is such a beautiful experience, and the original ideas that had been created in OoT cannot be matched because they were the original and the ideas with the most character, which had many gamers touched from there first playthrough. nothing in gaming touches the wandering dampe in the graveyard or the mysteries of the gerudo fortress and beyond and how they change throughout the game and how progessing in the game effects the characters and areas within the world of hyrule, and how these changes intertwine and affect link. just experiencing this is something of a privledge.

TP although indeed a great game to play never had that emotionally attachment to it as OoT did. the reason because it was basically a copy. a game created for the wii to try to replicate OoT, with the modifications of trying to make it bigger and better graphically and lenghtwise. they may have succeeded in doing this but they failed in making it a better game. it lacked the character and amazing original ideas and charming storyline that made a generation of people fall in love with Oot. TP can be looked at as a game that is fun to play definitely not a bad game, but one that wont leave u with lasting impressions or anything that hit an emotional note because it was just a copy. still a great game but one which lacks everything that makes OoT so great. Windwaker is much better than TP so do not judge it before you've experience this absoulte masterpiece and probably the same goes for even Majora's Mask which i am yet to play. i stand by the opinion becuase they all share originality, character and uniqueness, which TP, although a great game to play very much lacked.

Sure. I agree to some extent. To the extent of make it a subjective truth but not an objective and universal truth. In other words, I can put myself in your shoes, and see OoT how you see it. But from my fresh uncontaminated experience I say that I have played better games now. It is something like saying that the Atari 2600 was so much better, and it still is, than the Nintendo 64, because the the firt one was the first cartridge success in the gaming consoles.

How has it being this self imposed gaming experience of playing Z OoT, just to gain the right to talk about it? Well, let's put it this way:

It is like a was in college trying to get a degree in videogames design an some teacher would have told the class: "if you want to pass my subject, if you really want to make awesome games and become a top game designer you must  play Zelda Ocarina of time. In fact, let's make it an assignment: for the next monday everybody should have played and finished Zelda OoT."

In that imaginary situation some people of that imaginary class would say: "this a fantastic homework, I can wait to do it". Some other could say. "Well, the teacher has a good point and I really want to be the next Shigeru Miyamoto". If I where in that situation I could say.: "What? But I had plans for the weelend: I wanted to play with my new 360!"

The thing is: I am not in college, I do not have to play that game to judge another game for what it is by itself. I play games for fun. PERIOD! Why is that we have to look at games as if they were something intellectual, something academic... I mean, I don't mind going to the movies just for the experience of eating pop corn and watch a flick, it doesn't always have to be an academy award winning movie! It is like we, the self called hardcore gamers, were about to become something like the Royal Academy of History of Hardcore gaming. Yiaks!!! Please, count me out of something like that!

So... OoT almost ruined Zelda TP for you... sorry. I, in the other hand, enjoyed it very much! And It REALLY could "leave me with lasting impressions and something that hit an emotional note" TO ME. Why? Because I never played OoT and didn't know and neither cared about TP being a copy.

My point? (This is not definitive, it it still under construction). Nostalgia is killing the joy of gaming. Sometimes it is not good going to the past. Further more, I think that what Nintendo is to some extent doing is the right thing to do: DESTROYING THE PAST. Only in that way, there could be  new future.

 

While I do agree that many people have their minds clouded by nostalgia, I think your oversimplifing the mindset and underestimating personal preference. It's a common defence when someone disagrees with someone to say that their minds are clouded by nostalsia when someone likes an older entry more, or that they are not open-minded enough when they prefer a newer entry.

Although you may believe TP to be the superior game, you have to realise that there are a lot of legitimate arguments as to OoT being the superior game, and likewise visa-versa. However you seem to have somewhat of a reflex action to call anyone who believes OoT to be the better game blinded by nostalsia, largely ignoring the factor of personal taste. There are things I believe OoT does better than TP, and things I think TP does better than OoT, but its my own personal taste which leads me to value the things OoT did better over the things TP did better and thus in my mind OoT is the superior game, and of course I assume the inverse applies to you.

Nostalsia is most certainly a factor in what we each see to be better or worse, but it's not some end-all perspective which determines what we like as you imply. There will be people who despite having played the N64 previously will prefer the experiance delivered by the Atari 2600, and likewise there will be people who despite having played TP before will prefer the experiance deliverd by OoT, evidently however, you are not one of them, and possibly I could accuse you thinking this because of the notalsic factor you have with TP, after all you did play it first, however I find it far more likely that it was because of your own taste in videogames. Nostalsia is a factor but it is noway near as big an influence as personal preference.