Does anyone still believe in a major turnaround this gen?

[vaio]

CGI-Quality said:

vaio said:

CGI-Quality said:

Samus Aran said:

CGI-Quality said:

PearlJam said:

JEDE3 said:
Pearljam - Sega never took half of Nintendos market share.

Look, I'm not trying to get into stupid arguments. I said that Sega took NEARLY half of Nintendo's market, which they did. At several points Sega was ahead, and for a long time no system was the clear winner. Nintendo only came out on top at the very end thanks to Donkey Kong Country, Mortal Kombat II and many other games that really showed what the SNES could do. At that point Sega was getting ready for Saturn, had already released the 32-X and had basically abandoned the Genesis. You can't just look at the outcome and say Nintendo easily won, for a while there it really looked like Sega was going to become the dominant player.

My point is, no Sony system ever dominated like the NES. And Nintendo did worse with every generation after that until the Wii came out. That doesn't mean the same thing will happen to Sony, it just means that brand name isn't enough to win.

The highlighted is true. However, no Sony system was the MAIN console on the market either. Remember, the original Sega system was it's only competition, if you can even call it that. The PS1, PS2 and PS3 ALL had/have their share of competition. So, in a snese, in the 8-bit gen the NES was really competting with no one.

Regardless though, your earlier analysis was brilliant and I dare not challenge it

Sega does what Nintendon't. Believe me they had some hard competition from Sega. The reason why N64 failed wasn't really Sony's fault, but Nintendo made some mistakes like still using cartridges. That's the reason why the playstation sold so much, a lot of 3rd parry support went to it.

During the 16-bit gen, Nintendo had major compettion from Sega, in the 8-bit gen they did not. Nintendo WAS the 8-bit gen, no other way to look at it. And if anyone thought the 64 losing that gen was PS1's fault, they don't know their history. And although the PS1 sold more for many reasons, it was mainly due to cartridges which was Nintendo's fault.

It's the same as this gen, the Playstation 3 will mainly lose it because of Sony, not because of the Xbox 360 or Wii.

That may have been true for US but in Europe they had pretty fierce competition in 8th and 16th bit era.

It was there, but Nintendo had the gen in the bag, something the PS1 wouldn't have in the 32-bit gen had Nintendo not made mistakes (ala Sony/PS3). Sega got the jump on Nintendo (ala Xbox 360) with the Genesis in the 16-bit gen and although Sega lost that gen, they still made enough of a dent in Nintendo that gen to secure a name, as Pearl stated.

Now, unfortunately for Sony, the PS3 has made a dent for ITSELF in the market that means Playstation needs repair. Hopefully, the Playstation 4 can be the "Knight in Shining Armor" for Sony.

I agree on all counts, just wanted to point out that it wasnt that easy as you made it sound for Nintendo to win in Europe, Sega had a massive following here and especially in the Nordic parts, It went so far there were Nintendo vs Sega gangs in street fights (the last part is here in sweden don´t know about the rest of Europe and Nordic countries). Now thats hardcore gamers right there and not the crybabies of today that call themseoves hardcore.