SciFiBoy said:
Slimebeast said:
SciFiBoy said:
its called institutional discrimination, we all know it goes on, your figures are also from 2004, five years ago, so may be inacurate for 2009.
also that is for people of ethnic minorities, not immigrants, many are UK citizens, that just tells me that we need to make sure they get a good education and the ability to get jobs.
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What a cliché reply.
This is how it goes.
1. Social democrats/liberals/commies take in a bunch of immigrants & asylum seekers claiming they enrich the society
2. Critics find out that immigrants are leeches without work, living on well-fare, having old culture habits where mother stays home with children etc etc
3. Liberals blame it on racism (or any other more intricate word that still puts the blame on us white/Western people. You seem to call it "institutionalized discriminitation", here in Sweden it's called "structural discrimination". Because even liberals sometimes realize that u can't win debates by putting the racist tag on everyone)
Well, the racism argument is of course a made up blatant lie, but lets pretend that the cause for such a low working rate among immigrants was in fact racism - then that is still an argument against immigration. Because after three decades of immigration, why havent these behavioural patterns changed? Fact is then that it is a myth that "immigrants are good for the economy cause they are in working age"- no matter if the cause is racism or other!
But you are just another dishonest liberal.
(and if u had read the report u would have discovered that the minorities from the colonies, people that have stayed in Britain for over 50 years or so, have employment rates that are almost as high as the medium, and a lot higher than the average for minorities, suggesting that racism has not much to do with it)
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seriously, you ignore half my points, then call me a liar.
if people are racist, they need to grow up and we need to educate them better.
if racism is an issue, then we address it by saying to companies that discriminate, you cant do that.
if people struggle to find work, we create more jobs for them, and give them help with education and training.
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Should should should should. You're just talking about your utopia.
Modern day immigrants to Western Europe (over 2 million people every year!) aren't like the sturdy hard working Koreans that came to the USA and started their own lil business and took care of themselves.
You say many things that are wrong with the system, should be changed, racism and discrimination is bad etc.
But can't ur mind be a lil flexible? The world aint like that, UK aint like that yet, and it wont be (yet). Immigrations causes friction, racism, discrimation, assimilation promlems, whatever you label it as.
I was arguing that it's a myth that immigrants (in Western Europe at least) are great labour worker and strengthen the economy.
Even if the reason was racism, my statement is still 100 % true!
In SciFiBoy's world a liberal just snaps his finger and oiulà - 3 million new jobs were created for the immigrants in the UK!
