How many users on these boards actually support "The Theory of Evolution"?

[Final-Fan]

Wind Shlavitor said:

Final-Fan said:

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Why can't a causal system create consciousness?  This appears to me to be nothing more than an assumption you have made.
Assuming that consciousness (as separate from a complex system of action-reaction behaviors) exists in the first place, why can't evolution (as an action-reaction system of development of species through generations) create it?  Unless you deny that consciousness originates in our physical bodies, why is it completely impossible that genetic mutations could "press the magic button" to make our physical brains create consciousness? 

@ your new post:  "For the free will & experience part, because It seems too complex to try and explain feelings when we don't experience the same things..   or did I change my position on something else?"

This makes little sense to me.  Are you saying that your evidence that you have free will is a feeling that you have free will?  Or that your evidence is that you have feelings?  Or something else entirely? 

And what I was referring to in changing your position was
"Not unprovable, but subjectively provable."
"I didnt mean it was necessarily proven for me.  I don't believe one specific answer.  But It seems like a strong possibility because of evidence I can't present since it's subjective..."
If it can't be proven to other people, and you haven't proven it to yourself, then either your first statement was only a statement of opinion (not a claim that it was necessarily actually provable, since you'd have to have proven it to substantiate that claim), or you have changed your position. 

"Also, why can't a causal system create consciousness?"

Whether it originates in the body or not is irrelevent with what I'm saying... 

 You have to understand what causal processes can and cannot produce first.. and that's rather hard to pinpoint, so I'm not sure what to say... but I do know the kind that's assumed in evolution cannot produce concsiousness, because when you're talking causal, it's essentially like programming AI, and if you understand how computers interpret data, you know it's impossible for the computer or AI to ever be able to experience, no matter how much or what kind of programming or code is set up.

I don't know where my conciousness comes from, but I do know it's not purely causal, and so evolution either doesn't take into account such a thing, or evolution is not purely causal (which is not like how the Theory of evolution and many academic scientists assume it)

I'm not sure on what point I'd have to explain at this point, it does become harder and harder to detail many things ( which in part is due to my lack of either vocabulary or expertise, so if you want to consider not enough detailed statements invalid, then that's fine I guess)

First, you're assuming that AI consciousness is absolutely impossible, not just with today's tech but FOREVER, in principle.  That has not been proven. 

Second, you're taking an ANALOGY between computer programming and biological evolution and then saying that because we can't program consciousness then evolution can't create it.  That's faulty logic unless you intend to show that computer programming and evolution are SO similar that they must logically share that trait (whether consciousness is possible or not). 

Third, "you know" your consciousness is not causal in origin?  How did you come by this knowledge?  More feelings?  (Speaking of which, I don't see that you clarified that.)  I realize I'm getting caustic here, and I apologize, but this was just asserted with not even an attempt to justify.  It felt like you were simply handwaving. 

P.S.  Good to know that it doesn't matter about originating in the body; I was trying to rule out a mystical (non-physical) origin of consciousness, which obviously would be beyond evolution's grasp as it's beyond the body, as the cause of your objection.