Is there a god?

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gorgepir said:

I think I stated it above, I am not chrisitan and don't care for the text that you mentioned. It seems that you want to make up an argument and talk about it. Good for you.
I see that you couldn't argue with my point and talked about something for yourself. Then you go on and make fun of that fagarcia guy. Typical.
And regarding the gas. Duuh. Wow you are smart, good for you. I hope you get your degree soon. You must be one of the brighter ones in your school I guess. (this sarcasm is just a response to calling me ignorant). It is good to remember the conservation of mass law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass
"The law of conservation of mass/matter, also known as law of mass/matter conservation (or the Lomonosov-Lavoisier law), states that the mass of a closed system will remain constant, regardless of the processes acting inside the system."
To reiterate my point for you, god does not "live" in the time domain, therefore what he(she) does is not effected by time.

edit: it seems I was wrong about that temperature thing. it seems that when the sun uses all hydrogen and burns out the gas in it will just expand and the surface temperature will decrease. That is why I thought it had something to do with temperature. I guess it was the other way around.

Look, it's very simple: either you have not paid attention to the thread or you are mentally deficient (or both). I'm sorry if I presumed one when it is in fact the other.

I have been arguing with a CREATIONIST whose stated belief is that the Bible is a completely accurate and literal record of events. Therefore, when I refute his assertions using the Book of Job from the Bible, your talk about "well God doesn't intervene in the world or talk to people" is totally irrelevant to the conversation, and more importantly, your accusation that I am "twisting the truth" is plainly wrong when all I have done is quote the Bible at him at make obviously true assertions about events described therein.

As for "conservation of mass/matter", you appear to be unaware that the fusion powering the Sun in fact converts mass into energy. the total amount of (mass + energy) remains the same, but mass has been turned from hydrogen into helium and there is less mass and more energy.

To reiterate my main point for you, if you say that God does not act the way he is described in the Bible, you are simply not participating in the same debate that fagarcia75 and I am.

Perhaps I exaggerated when I spoke of your ignorance, but you are inserting commentary where it is borderline nonsense. I'm arguing about the God of the Bible with a literal-interpretation fundamentalist, and you say I'm "twisting the truth" by using events described in the Bible to discredit his assertions because 'God isn't like that'.

Then you make comments about the Sun that SEEMED to be talking about it being so big and not shrinking because it is gaseous and hot, which you now seem to admit is ridiculously oversimplified.

it seems I was wrong about that temperature thing. it seems that when the sun uses all hydrogen and burns out the gas in it will just expand and the surface temperature will decrease. That is why I thought it had something to do with temperature. I guess it was the other way around.

LOL. The "gas" "inside" the Sun (or rather the hydrogen plasma in the core and inner sphere) will not expand at all but rather grow ever denser until some rather complicated physical laws stop the collapse; the Sun will then be fantastically dense. I believe that you are referring to the outer portions of the Sun that, during the "red giant" stage of the Sun's lifetime, will expand due to being "pushed" out by the solar wind and decreased gravity due to the reduced mass of the future Sun -- AS I DESCRIBED EARLIER IN THE THREAD. This outer portion will indeed be much cooler than the Sun is today.

Whatever religious theory you do subsribe to, fagarcia75 and I are not talking about it. We are talking about literal-Bible-interpretation Christian theology, and specifically about events in the Bible that I assert depict God as casuing great pain to a person who did not deserve to be subjected to it at all.