North American Union - WTF (now with Work Safe Title)

[Final-Fan]

quigontcb said:

Final-Fan said:
When I say "treason" I don't mean they're trying to overthrow the government or anything. They're trying (with some SUCCESS) to subvert the Constitution and consolidate power to themselves, often so they and their corporate cronies can profit but sometimes just because they seem to have no concept of why we have checks and balances.

Warrantless wiretapping? UnConstitutional. "We couldn't bother to get FISA warrants, which can be obtained up to 48 hours AFTER THE FACT"? Please.

 

I certainly won't say the Bush administration is perfect, but you're so blinded by hatred for him that you seem to actually believe the he's the first president to pull some shady moves. Here's a shocker: he's not. Another shocker is that I bet that every government on earth is corrupt, just like the US government. I'd even say that probably every government in the history of man was corrupt. If you actually think the US is so bad, try for one minute to wipe the bias from your mind and consider the power and influence that the US has and has had, then consider what this world would be like if Nazi Germany, Hussein's regime, N Korea, and countless other truly ruthless regime's had that kind of power. Since everyone in the world is so concerned about the US in regards to their freedom, I'd have thought by now that everyone would be up in arms about the actions of Russia. Russia is the one showing true signs of aggression to peaceful nations and it's own citizens. But everyone is so into hating the US, that Russia is getting a free pass in the meantime.

Did I say that Bush was the only one to pull this shit? NO. I am aware, for instance, that Franklin Delano Roosevelt (whom I greatly admire despite this) tried to "pack the courts" with politically loyal judges, possibly including (I don't recall) the Supreme Court. The difference is that today's media is letting Bush get away with it.

Please don't bring up Nazi Germany, Communist Russia (or modern Russia for that matter), or any other example of "but THEY are worse!" Do you know why I ask this of you? Because you are lowering America to the standard of genocidal maniacs in order to make yourself look good compared to them. (I am also aware that we have a bit of genocidal history as well.) The point is, we should be comparing ourselves to the BEST examples of government to try to measure up against, not the WORST.

Putin has been wishing to be a dictator for a long time now, and he has been acting on his wish for some time as well. But last I checked, RUSSIA wasn't the country that invaded another coincidentally oil-rich nation based on unsubstantiated claims that turned out to be FALSE. [edit: or, for those who absolutely insist on it, unsubstantiated claims that have utterly failed to prove true, despite a massive search for evidence by the most powerful, tech-savvy, etc. nation in the world with total access to the nation in question.]