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c0rd said:
theprof00 said:

@c0rd

this actually took a lot of work man lol.

Similar "traditional" core games for ps3 or 360 would be games like MGS, GTA, Halo, perhaps COD or other FPSes

I understand that much, but consider the formula you used to calculate the Wii's core userbase. That's like if I averaged the top 5 PS3 games (around 4 million) and claim that's the size of their core userbase.

that's not impossible. We know that there are people who only play madden too. and that there is a demographic of people who don't even own any game whatsoever.

EDIT: what I mean is that ps3 has a different pool of demographics. The ones I found for Wii are just guesstimates that don't themselves correspond to the ps3. PS3 could be the top 10, or some other thing. I haven't looked at it

Anyway, there's a massive difference in third party support between the HD consoles and the Wii. Even when they receive the same games (CoD5), the Wii ends up getting the inferior version (which is usually understandable). The fact everyone is forced to hype The Conduit, a game from a no-name developer, shows what I'm talking about. Those "die-hard" Nintendo fans have bought third party games in the past, there's no reason to think they won't do the same now.

yeah I agree, but not all of them will buy. There will be some overlap, some people from all demographics could buy them.

trestres seemed to correlate frontloaded sales with core games. I somewhat agree with it, but then he assumed that because no third party games were frontloaded, the core sticks to Nintendo. What I'm saying is, there are no other games that should have been frontloaded, because there's no core games on the level of Nintendo's, and even the good ones have a tiny budget with little to no advertising. Not only that, but new IP's aren't nearly as frontloaded, even on HD consoles. Tell me, which third party games on the Wii should have seen heavy frontloaded sales? Or, which would have seen more sales on the HD consoles?

I think tres' point was more that even other consoles have frontloaded sales on a majority of games, even ones with a lower budget, and Sony on top of that barely advertises anything to save money. His pointm I think was more about HD owners being core gamers, who seek out new gaming experiences actively. To answer you question, I don't know. I haven't done enough research to even begin to try and answer that. Some wii games could have been big though. I think people have an opinion of wii 3rd party games as being cheap, whereas people have an opinion of HD games as being highly produced, even if they've never played the game.

I'll give you a hint, MadWorld, Zack and Wiki, Little King's Story, No More Heroes, etc. are not good candidates. Forget the Wii, we haven't seen niche Japanese games sell much at all on the PS2.

Nintendo is the only big player trying, so they're the only ones being rewarded. Things don't yet look out of place to me. If MH3 flops hard this fall, I'll admit there's an argument to be made.

Sounds like it makes sense. We'll have to wait and see.