Is Ocarina of Time still the greatest game of all time??

[theRepublic]

SHMUPGurus said:

theRepublic said:

SHMUPGurus said:

New people getting into the Legend of Zelda series will say that Majora's Mask or The Wind Waker are better than Ocarina of Time, but that's just non-sense. People saying that A Link to the Past tops OOT... well, they're almost right to be honest, but ALTTP didn't have as much impact as OOT did for its time.

Majora's Mask is built on the same engine as OOT, and it barely brought anything new. It was more annoying than anything to be honest (especially when trying to get 100% in the game. Some of the worst design decisions I've ever seen). The Wind Waker was good, but there are some flaws in the gameplay (like a last minute fetch quest and other things), which OOT don't have at all.

Oh man, it hurts to try finding bad things to say about Zelda games...! @_@

Barely brought anything new?  MM is the most original and creative Zelda that I have ever played.

You can play as a Deku Scrub, a Goron, or a Zora.  Other masks also modify Link, like the Bunny Hood, which makes him run faster.  The people in the game actually have a life, and go about their day whether you interact with them or not.  Most other games the NPCs just stand around waiting for you to talk to them.  The three day mechanic that allows this very detailed world is also quite new.

I would definitely agree that OoT has had a much bigger influence on gaming, but to say that MM barely did anything new is just wrong.

Sure, the interaction with NPCs were brilliant with the whole mask stuff, and the three day mechanic was a very interesting concept... But what I'm saying is that the game was, basically, a sequel. It used the same engine and modified a few things like graphics and gameplay mechanics while still playing pretty much the same. I'm not saying sequels are automatically bad, but let's say it's easier to try different things with the same engines, some for the best or worst. I'd say MM is a mix of both, mixing new mechanics but also being too complicated for no reason at the same time. I have an interesting theory about all this, and my best example is with the Smash series, but that's for another thread! ;)

Overall, I don't think it's fair to give much credit to Majora's Mask for creating some new things when it's built on one of the best engines ever made, that's all. OOT had to exist in order for MM to exist. I'm not discrediting the game for bringing original concepts though, don't get me wrong. I still loves me my Majora's Mask! =P

Then what game gets the credit?  You can't give it to OoT, because that game had none of the things I mentioned.  The credit has to go to MM.  That is the game where those new mechanics were implemented.  Besides, there are lots of different games that use the same engine, you can't just credit an engine with the ideas that are in the game.