Is there a god?

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rickthestick2 said:

tk1989 said:

rickthestick2 said:

Apostrovich said:

4. The reason why you think that if God exists he is an "asshole" is because you don't really understand God much at all. That's why i recommend you read Knowledge of the Holy by A.W. Tozer, not that you should be converted but that you know what the Christian God is, assuming he exists. I think you are (don't take thin the wrong way) ignorant of the subject.

But god is an asshole? If you have read the old testament you will realise that god is (in the words of Richard Dawkins):

"arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust unforiving control freak; a vindicative, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomanical, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevlent bully"

God is one of the biggest most unjust assholes ever!

I have no idea where you get the fact that he is unjust. Rightfully God has all the right to wipe us out, just as he had all the right to create us.

Anyways God isn't erasing people from existance. All humans were made in the likeness and image of God and as such we are seemingly "Immortal" in the sense that we, our souls, will not die. God is simple yet complex.

He will destroy the wicked. Is that Unjust?

He controls and owns all that he created. Is that Unjust?

He created a natural order for all things of the Universe and enourages people to follow it. Is that Unjust?

He cures the suffering of pain, and forgives the wicked of sin (if they ask), he avenges the blood of his children and he has given all of humanity immortal souls and the gift of eternal life (if accepted). Is that Unjust?

He created all of the Universe and despises when another idol diety gets credit for God's work. Is that Unjust?

Call God as asshole out of your own profanity and dislike for him sure, but don't call God Unjust. That's not true. An Unjust being is not God.

Obviously not EVERYTHING God does would be unjust. But it's hard to deny that he was an asshole on multiple occasions in the Old Testament.

Job is a pious man and all-around great guy. God and Satan get to talking about what a pious guy Job is and Satan says "Well I bet he wouldn't love you so much if you weren't so nice to him." God says, "I bet he would." So to settle the bet God sends some bad luck Job's way. Job still loves God. Okay, bet's over.

But wait! Satan says, "I bet he wouldn't like you if you were meaner!" God says, "Oh yeah?" and gets meaner. Job still likes God.
-- Satan says, "I bet he'd hate you if you were even meaner!" God says, "Oh yeah?" and gets even meaner. Job still likes God.
-- Satan says, "I bet he'd hate you if you completely destroyed his family, all his stuff, got him really sick, and made everyone hate his guts!!" God says "OH YEAH?!" and does it all to Job. Job still loves God. (God knows why.)
-- Then God gives Job all his stuff back, plus some extra for being a good sport about it.

How is that not an asshole thing to do? Beating up on some guy who loves you BECAUSE THE DEVIL SUGGESTED IT!

P.S. Oh, and the fact that God was nice to Job again in the end doesn't make his treatment "just".

[edit: I just noticed that you appear to only take issue with the "unjust" part of the description. I take it that you concede the rest is a fair description?]