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windbane on 16 April 2007
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your mother said:

"Ok. Why doesn't Too Human look better than Gears of War? Why doesn't Elder Scrolls? Will Halo 3 look better?"

That's simple. You should know this too: They are different games. As with another forum post comparing fixed-screen vs sandbox games, you just can't.

"We'll see I guess. So far I'd say no."

We will see, but honestly, I don't care what looks better than the other (see above); my gripe is about how Fony touted the supposedly untouchable graphics that everyone on Earth and its closest planetary neighbors have yet to see. Pixar-level graphics... right...

"Gears of War was created to be that ridiculous looking FPS."

It's a Third Person Shooter...

"I don't think there are as many things going on in Gears of War as there will be in Lair. Maybe I'm wrong."

Maybe you're right. Who knows? I guess when it comes out we will all know.

"By your logic every game, no matter the genre or scope of the game, should look better than Gears of War."

No, not at all. I just think that certain people on these forums are very selective about what they consider good or bad, always finding the angle to bash what they don't like and glorifying what they like. And yes, myself included now, but wouldn't you like to know I don't care which console wins - I just like to make a counterpoint.

"There will be games that look better than Gears of War, but it doesn't have to be every game released. There are aspects of Motorstorm that look better, but it's a racing game with a lot of action on the screen. I think your standards don't make sense."

See above. Of course if you look at it that way, it doesn't make sense. It's like saying an RTS doesn't have the LOD of, say, a FPS. Of course not. Again, my issue is those certain people that only see the good things about their console and only the bad things about other consoles. I like to see the good and bad, but when faced with (mostly) the SDF spewing off nonsense well...

"Of course PC games will destroy anything outputted from a console. That always happens. And it costs $300 every time a new FPS game comes out to play it, too. I used to play PC games more than consoles but I got tired of upgrading my video card at least once a year to play all the most recent games."

Strange... I haven't upgraded my graphics card in over a year and I still play many of the latest games on PC... But I do agree that if you want the very latest graphics, upgrading is a bitch. Again, that's not my point. See above. You should know who I am talking about.

"And btw, just because Doom 3 looked good didn't mean Civilization 4 had to have better graphics because it was released after it. It's a different kind of game."

Sure. Right on there. Nobody is arguing that. See above.

"You're paying $200 more for free online play (in 4 years that's already even), a blu-ray player, wireless connectivity, and a higher ceiling for games. Yes, I think that we'll see PS3 games look better than 360 games at some point (maybe not multi-platform games), but Home and Littlebigplanet are also part of the equation. So yeah, I think the $200 is well spent. I can live without the 360 exclusives (Halo 3 I'd like to try because of pop culture's sake but I prefer PC FPSs), but I'd really like to play a lot of the PS3 exclusives. To each his own, but I'm not sure why you are criticizing Lair's graphics because they don't stand up to images (whether in game or not) of Gears of War."

I'll tell you when it's well-spent: When those "killer exclusive" games are out, when I know for sure Home is free and not just another way to siphon money out of my pockets by having to buy all the cool stuff Home offers (ever played Tiger Woods?), and when the graphics really live up to the hype (not generated by me, mind you, but by the very people making the "so-far-it's-nothing-but-snake-oil" console).

I seriously doubt the PS3 will be unable to overtake the 360 in graphics (it better have to if it is to live up to 1/10 of the Fony PR BS they fed to the masses), and Blu-Ray will be nice to have once there are enough movies out where I live (read: Not the US).

"Let it go?"

If you "let it go", I just might myself.


Ugh.  You yourself said you can't compare different types of games, yet you are the one that first compared a screenshot of GoW to Lair.  One is mostly in corridors and the other is a huge environment that changes from air scale to ground level scale fluidly (check out some videos).

And then you changed the topic again to saying how Sony hyped stuff, which I of course responded to because 1) it doesn't really matter in the discusion to Lair, 2) other companies promise things that don't happen, 3) there are already pixar level games that will be released this year (yes, counting cinematics), and 4) I took the bait and I perhaps should not have.  You made it into a "Lair doesn't look as good as Gears" and then admitted that different games shouldn't be compared (which I said), then had to blame Sony somehow for Lair not looking as good as you think it should.  Oh well. 

I said "maybe."