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theRepublic, you know exactly what I am saying you are just playing devil's advocate.

Games can be fun and not immersive. Games can be immersive and not fun. Games can be immersive AND fun. Stop acting like you honestly don't know what I'm saying. I don't even know how to state it properly to meet your standards but if the graphics, the sound, the artificial intelligence meant nothing for a game then people would hate Grand Turismo and still just play Pole Position. In improving these things we improve the games. Leave retro for what it is, still fun games but outdated by the technology. I still play old games because I love old games. But at the end of the day no NES title will ever draw me in half as much as an experience like Fallout 3 or Oblivion.