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@Dodece

I am sure you thought you were being clever, but you demonstrated the problem mindset for them perfectly. The reason those two enjoy such strong third party support is a testament as to how they do business. This is how you get strong third party support. You demonstrate that a console is a viable format through your software. You provide financial incentives to get needed software. You make a dedicated effort to secure the most prized consumers.

That is neither a smart or viable way to do business. Never before has a company provided finanical assistance for third party support. If anything that shows weakness. Weakness in that you must pay someone else for the content because you can not produce it. Nintendo is able to make content and have it push the system. There isn't enough gain from a third party title to justify buying third parties. Third parties chose the console for numerous choices. The paying is between the two HD rivals. The publishers are not making Wii games becuase Sony and Microsoft are paying for them. It's becuase they don't see the Wii as a profitable advetnure (although they are wrong).

By the way the model isn't unprofitable. The reason Sony is unprofitable is because they pushed the pricing envelope too far. They did this by trying to turn a game console into a Trojan horse. Which is something Nintendo can't really do. They like Microsoft contract out for their parts and the manufacturing.

No, the razor and blades modle is unprofitable. If it was what you claimed, then why is Sony abandoning it. It only worked when they were in first, and even then, Nintendo made about the same as Sony did overall. Nintendo, Sega and Atari never used that system. Microsoft doesn't becuase they never planned to make a profit. Sony is the only one that does, and recent events have proven it unprofitable.


Like I said in my first post I just think Nintendo is so conservative that they will not abandon their old ways. Even when the answer is right in front of them. They will not be able to bring themselves to the point where they will actually craft mature games, spend the money to acquire high end exclusives, or actually market themselves as a console for gamers.

Congradulations, you just desribed Sony and Microsoft. And guess who is making all the money. Nintnedo. That means they should definatly not take your advice and keep doing what they are doing.

Oh and before you say so what. This is exactly what got Nintendo into third place for two generations. They were effectively not competing, and they are not really competing now. They just found a overlooked market that is paying huge dividends. Not that the others will let them have it all to themselves next generation.

Ummm, excuse me?

"They will see our results, and they'll see how much of a challenge and dogfight this new era of gaming will be." Reggie

Nintendo is competing. Disruption is about taking over the old market with new values, and that is what Nintendo intends to do. Do not be fooled; Nintendo is being very agressive. It will be clear soon when Sony and Microsoft have to fend off Nintendo if they even try.

You might not understand this or just blow it off, but if Nintendo does not have the core or hardcore on board. Then Microsoft with its game show concept, and Sony with its Second Life concept may very well take huge chunks out of the casual market. While they maintain those other two markets, and if that happens Nintendo will zip right back down into third place, and have another profitable console that just sells twenty million.

Wow. All the juciy stuff was in the last paragraph then.

First off, "core" means the old users. Core Nintendo users were those who were old Nintendo fans. Nintendo always had them on board. The "hardcore," are made up people who have no real idenity. There is no definition for hardcore. Also, Sony and Microsoft definatly are not going for the so called "casual" audience. They are going for their core, or the current hardcore. Neither of those games can break into the new market becuase they have old values to them and how they are played.

I love how your conclusion is "Sony and Microsoft will somehow) take over the new market, pushing Nintendo out." HOW? This doesn't even make ssence. Nintendo has won the audience a long time again with Wii Sports, Wii Fit and Mario Kart Wii. They will not buy a more expensive console for one peice of software that isn't a must have. No sence. I think this is more your dream than a possibility.