iclim4 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Calling someone a "jerk" does fit under the definition of name calling, but it's the least offensive form of it and I don't see how you can take such great offense from it. And don't bring up what Vgchartz used to be. The site is no less civil than it was a year or two ago, because we've always had the same types of people we have now (probably not as many spambots though).
If you're not saying what I thought you were saying, what's the point? Why doesn't every anti-abortion person sponsor a child in a third world country so that kid has a chance at life too? You claim that abortions are often for selfish reasons, but what about the people against abortion? How many of them care about the people holding the fetus inside of them? What about all the men against abortion who could never become pregnant even if they wanted to be?
Overpopulation is different than having too many kids. Take China, for example. Their birth rate was 153rd of all the countries in the world in 2008 (source), but there is no question that they are overpopulated right now. Aborting kids isn't the same as having less kids. If a law stated you could have no more than 2 kids, than that would be the limit and you couldn't have any more. However, if there was no law but abortion existed, someone could conceive 15 kids, abort 10, and still be left with 5 kids (well above the replacement rate). By the way, your quote shouldn't be repeated because it's not like it's somehow clever or intuitive. I don't want to argue about conception because frankly, it doesn't interest me that there's a slight possibility than someone's condom broke against all odds. Very boring stuff.
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Dude, calling someone a jerk when you barely even know him is not a proper way to start a discussion with that person.
I mean c'mon man as a well known (arguably respected) member/mod here, is name calling at your first reply appropriate?
I remember talking to you several months back- year and you weren't this hostile. I also remember you( and a lot of members including me) being prideful about VGC's community and how it can discuss touchy topics in a civil manner, which is why I brought it up now.
Jerk: Slang. a contemptibly naive, fatuous, foolish, or inconsequential person. Source
And I'm not representing the people who are against abortions.
Honestly though, I could never see myself doing it.
2nd paragraph.
When a woman have sex and becomes pregnant, it is her responsibility because her actions lead to that outcome.
I would assume anti abortionists want that woman to take responsibility by giving birth to the child and not aborting it.
And that kid in a third world country already has a chance at life.
I've lived in a third world country most of my life, don't be ethnocentric and think that they're some helpless people that can't survive on their own and needs your "saving". Most of them will feel the love of their parents, most of them will live their childhood enjoying the simple things in life, most of them will work hard just to eat. Some of them will unfortunately die, but that is life, you can't save everyone, but that doesn't mean that we should abort children just because of it.
One can even argue why send money to a different country when some people here in the US is starving?
And your example of that family having 5 kids and aborting 10 just shows how irresponsible they are.
If they didn't want anymore why not get a vasctomy, it's cheap, quick, not very painful and reversible.
Abortion is their quick fix and encourages them to be more irresponsible.
And the only reason that I repeated that quote was because that topic required that same answer so I just copy pasted it.
Weird how you would instantly jump to that conclusion...
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I called you a jerk because you misinterpreted what I said. I don't have to know you all that well to see that. As for the member/mod thing, I'm charmed at the thought but I'm not a mod. But well respected? Well...that's a compliment if I've ever heard one! Thank you for that. My hostility changes through the days, weeks, and months. A couple months to a year ago, I had a lot less going on. Now my life is more busy, I've got less time for Vgchartz and debating, and I tend to be aggressive in my arguments so I can end 'em more quickly. I am proud of the community for the most part, although there are some members I miss, and I don't think we've had some good new members for a while.
I'm not arguing about responsiblity at all. There are a bunch of different outcomes that can lead to pregnancy (consensual sex, rape, aliens, demons), so I don't worry about the possibilities. As for kids in third world countries, I'm not being ethnocentric and saying they're helpless. Apparently I should have emphasized really, really third world. There's a difference between a third world country where people get by and one where there's absolutely no food whatsoever and people starve to death all the time (perhaps I should have emphasized the latter). And your line of "you can't save everyone" kind of reinforces my view. The line about the family having a bunch of kids isn't to show irresponsiblity, it was just to show the difference between overpopulation and overbirth. As for vasectomies, I wish more people would get them but I guess it's not an appealing option to most people (especially if you're an 18 year old high school kid trying to score).
