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KylieDog said:

Sunshine was harder in Galaxy, I think most people would agree with that.  In Galaxy a lot of levels you cannot even fall to your death on anymore because the gravity thing kicks in and just turns you upside down or whatever.  I beat the game without dying once, never done that in any Mario before.

Nintendo didn't make MP3, Retro Studios did.  TP wasn't dumbed down because Zelda is one of the games I mentioned that didn't start that this gen, it was already.

Punch Out the verdict is out on and isn't for anyone to say how difficult it is yet, however the controls are very casual friendly.

Did you only list 3 games by thinking it was enough or because that is all you believe good examples?

I only listed a few games because it was enough.  You told me not to try to deny that all Nintendo games were dumbed down/casualized.  I only needed to list one game to prove you wrong.  I thought I'd be nice and list a few in case you tried to argue.  I didn't expect you to have separate arguments for each one.  That was hilarious.

I've played the new Punch-Out!!.  The controls are exactly the same as the old ones.  I don't think beating Mike Tyson was already casual in the 80's.  Or does cel-shading make it casual or something?  Reviewers who've played the original are getting their ass kicked by Glass Joe.  And the challenges are as insane as the Mega Man 9 challenges.