TheSteve said:
CGI-Quality said:
TheSteve said:
CGI-Quality said:
TheSteve said:
CGI-Quality said:
The Steve Said:
No, it isn't. Quality is a "degree of excelence" or "social standing," both of which Siren would fall to a lesser tier than GTAIV. However, Siren has certain qualities you enjoy more. Quality can be a subjective term, but it is defined by a mass audience. What qualities you like or dislike are a very personally subjective thing. The measured quality of Siren, from reviews, was somewhat average, with complaints of stiff controls, slow start, and repetitive environments (all negative qualities, taking away from its overall quality). GTAIV was almost universally praised as near perfect quality. Despite this, both you and I have games that we enjoy much more. So, our enjoyment isn't chained to the actual quality of the game, because enjoyment is entirely subjective and has nothing to do with quality or sales.
There are things wrong here, but your main problem is preaching opinions as facts. It isn't a fact that GTA IV is a better game than SIREN: Blood Curse. Just your opinion.
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No it's not... I liked SIREN more!! I just know it wasn't of the same quality. The DEFINITION of "quality" is "social standing or rank". By definition, GTAIV is a higher quality game. I just don't like it, and neither does other guy. Our enjoyment was not a function of the quality or sales data.
It's semantics, really, but I was just making a point that I thought was less arguable than "it's not sales, it's quality". We measure sales in numbers (totals or cash), we measure quality in numbers (rank or score)... You can't measure "enjoyment".
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The definition of quality, in this case anyhow, is what the purchaser/gamer of the said product thinks it is. Yes, I know the definition of quality, it's in my name for crying out loud, but what I'm saying here is: what one person feels about GTA IV doesn't mean the next person will feel. I personally didn't like GTA IV all that much, but cherish the GEM (IMO) that is SIREN: Blood Curse. Therefore, IMO, SIREN is far more quality based, despite GTA IV's 12+mill sales WW on PS3 and Xbox 360.
Sales =/= quality, that's all I'm getting at.
@ richard: My friend, you're hitting the nails left and right. Great work 
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Ahhh... SO, if I say "yogurt" means "stuff I like" (to me), then I can say "Yogurt is what gaming is all about."
NOW we're all on the same page.
ps- 3 out of 3 weren't so hot on GTAIV.... hmmm....
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I still don't believe we're on the same page, regardless of how I've explained tit to you. But to each, his own.
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I think we have been all along, with tits beside the point entirely.
My only point in this fun distraction was that it was wrong to try and tell someone that they were wrong for saying something is better because of the sales, because they're better due to quality. You're arguing semantics there, since obviously the masses are spending their money on what they feel is the highest "quality" or bang for their buck. I threw in the "what about enjoyment?", since I was pretty sure that's what was actually meant (I was being a smart ass), since quality DOES NOT MEAN ENJOYMENT, and we all got into a big debate that reached a bit of a climax when you said "I know what the definition of quality is, but the dictionary definition is not the real definition if the person using it doesn't mean that." Thus, yogurt.
We collectively straw-manned the hell out of what was already a pointless argument about sales numbers. The fact is, everything we're talking about can be twisted into a subjective context, even sales. If you take the massive lead of the 360 and say "just wait for the P$3 price cut", then you are saying that the consumers perceive 360 as a higher quality for their dollar, and that the P$3 is overpriced of its percieved value (or quality).
When we ran the debate from comparing terms to outright declaring a word to have a protean definition for the purposes of not admitting that quality was no better a measure than sales, then there was no point even trying to make sense anymore.
Yogurt is the answer, because I said it is. You can't argue with that, because you already said I could do this. The only reasonable response from here is to start arguing about just how much yogurt each console can hold, and then feeding the same ammount to Ben Dutka.
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