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ClaudeLv250 said:
Zuzic said:

People will also make up excuses for mario, saying hotel mario is not a real mario, same with the CDI zeldas. But they are. If you are to say sonic sucks now what changed, same other series, because the teams changed, why can't you for hotel mario, different team... Still mario.

 

Uh...Hotel Mario wasn't just a different team. It was a different developer entirely. This is completely different from a shift in Sonic Team, it's still Sonic Team under Sega and most teams shift new blood in and out. This is also different from Spyro or Crash's case, since they were shipped off to developers who have completely changed these franchises and have full creative control over their futures. Hotel Mario was a one time deal with Philips, a game made entirely independently from Nintendo and one that is barely a platformer to begin with. So in a thread about great Nintendo platformers, you bring up a non-Nintendo non-platform Mario game from 15 years ago that has had absolutely no impact on subsequent Mario titles. Good job!

Doesn't matter. They owned the rights, given to them by nintendo. Crash bandicoot isn't made by same developer anymore, not even same team, is it somehow absolved from the shit that it is now?

 

Mario and Sonic olympics, a lot of mario parties are shit, marios time machine, wreaking crew, mario tennis(virtual boy),  and some others.

 

Also, games not made by marios developers influenced mario more then anything. The english version of super mario bros 2 is actually a different game, called doki doki panic, and considered not canon at all at the time. Because all they did was change main sprites nothing else. Then nintendo comes and takes all these things and includes them in future mario games.