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Fumanchu on 28 April 2009
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Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
slowmo said:

I find it rather hilarious AS3 you call others out for being trolls when you first post in the thread completely ignores the previous pages worth of evidence that prove the 360 drive does indeed read dual layer at 12x. You saying it's 8x isn't proof and posting the same link that thankfully MikeB hasn't recycled doesn't prove it either. You missed the point completely of those who disagreed with MikeB, they provided more factual evidence than he did of why he was wrong.

It's not off topic to refute a claim like the speed which MikeB raised first but when the claim was proved false there was no concession made by him hence other people posting why he wouldn't back down. If MikeB was offended by any post he has the right to report any post and leave it in the hands of the mods to decide if it was unreasonable.

You trying to say I'm trying to push the subject matter (the topic) in another direction would be classified as "trolling".  I read through the first few of the near 20 pages or so that were already here before posting.  How many have come into a thread 20 pages in and read through all of it before posting.  I typically read the first few pages and the last couple of pages in those situations.

Anyway, I will read the other few pages I missed.  However, the manufacturer's link to the drives that were launched with the X360 said 12x read on SL-DVD.  Maybe they have been changed out at a later point in time.  I see that link is no longer active, so it's possible.  Even at that point, the devs couldn't count on more than 8x for DL-DVD due to the other drives still out there.

EDIT: I just when through the first 14 pages and no such evidence from a credible source (or any source for that matter) was ever used to prove MikeB wrong about DL-DVD read speeds.  Someone got MikeB on a technicality regarding the X360 data limit by a few hundred MB (hardly worth celebrating about).  In fact, that shows how desperate a lot of these people are to say MikeB is wrong.

I DID notice HEAVY trolling TOWARDS MikeB, though.  I witnessed people just dead set on character assassination, because he represented a threat to their current X360 beliefs.  And, THAT is cult behavior 101.

I don't see any evidence from MikeB or yourself that the drive is only 12x SL-DVD or even prove that SL-DVD game discs even exist.  All I have seen from the case stressing the 8x DL maximum is an assumption (because most drive manufacturer's list the faster SL read speed) and now a mysteriously taken down link.  Mike you started these threads for 'technical accuracy' to inform us ignorant saps but you've failed to provide anything more than an assumption and a broken link.

What I do see is;

- Developers complaints re: PS3 blu-ray performance (not storage).

- NJ5 gamespot quote showing install times faster on AVERAGE than your maximum proposed read speed.

- Guiding Light's hacked firmware enforcing 12x because MS can allegedly ban you account if they detect anything lesser.

- Multi-platform mandatory installs.

It looks more like the evidence is stacked against you, what if the 12x SL only theory is a misinformed assumption and the reason why the DL speed is quoted is because no SL games exist?

Do you have any contrary evidence?