Healthcare isn't a business, it's peoples lives

[vlad321]

Rpruett said:

vlad321 said:

 

I also LOVE the way you argue, you give parameters, I meet them, then you start changing them. Still, why is the US 37 and most European Countries above it? I want nice hard answers. Notice the study is from the WHO, and you can't even argue it's biased. You can argue it's from 2000, but if anything Healthcare in the US has gotten worse, not better, since, so that path would be just working against you.

 

One could argue that the Healthcare across the EU has certainly gotten worse since 2000 as well.  The fact that this data is from almost a decade ago is precisely why it's impossible to argue.  Sure the WHO is credible, but they compiled this list in 2000 then magically stopped because of it being too hard to determine.  That statement alone shows the general subjective nature of these 'rankings' and really goes to show that it's all very, very subjective and hardly verifiable.  

I would also argue that there is certainly a significant flaw in their methodology as it pertains to the size/population of a country and the issues that that causes. There also is a significant flaw in their methodology as it pertains to personal care and health. 

 

1 France           65,000,000
2 Italy              60,000,000
3 San Marino           30,000
4 Andorra                70,000
5 Malta                   403,000
6 Singapore         5,000,000
7 Spain               40,000,000
8 Oman                 3,000,000
9 Austria               8,000,000
10 Japan           127,000,000
11 Norway            5,000,000
12 Portugal         11,000,000
13 Monaco               32,000
14 Greece           11,000,000
15 Iceland                300,000
16 Luxembourg        500,000
17 Netherlands   16,000,000
18 United Kingdom        61,000,000
19 Ireland              4,000,000
20 Switzerland      7,500,000
21 Belgium          10,000,000
22 Colombia        45,000,000
23 Sweden            9,000,000
24 Cyprus                 800,000
25 Germany         82,000,000
26 Saudi Arabia    27,600,000
27 United Arab Emirates  4,000,000
28 Israel               7,000,000
29 Morocco          34,000,000
30 Canada          33,000,000
31 Finland             5,000,000
32 Australia         21,000,000
33 Chile               16,000,000
34 Denmark           5,000,000
35 Dominica              70,000
36 Costa Rica        4,200,000
37 United States of America   303,000,000

 

For example,  there isn't one country that deals with the same land area and population size as the United States,  Not even close.  And the ones that do have comparable amounts of both aren't anywhere to be found on this chart.

People in the USA own more land than most of these countries.  This results in people being more sprawled out across the country.  Being further separated leads to the necessity of traveling further.  (Not nearly the same issue in a lot of smaller countries).  Which provides more usage of vehicles, cars , public transportation ,airplanes, etc.  You see in many of these smaller places where a large percentage of the population lives in close proximity.  This promotes healthier lifestyles (Like Walking or Riding Bicycles).

 

 

Additionally,  the percentage of elderly (65 and older) in the United States accounts for (13% of the population alone or around 40,000,000). Now this percentage alone isn't as much of an issue but combined with the previous two issues of sprawl around the country and maintaining these elderly as well as the expected significant increase in elderly.

 

And bias would be very easy to argue for the WHO considering it's located in the heart of Europe.

 

 

 

 

I would assume difficult to determine would mean more along the lines of "costs too damn much to do again" over difficulty to get the results. And yes, you compare the European populations, but add them all up, and notice 15 or so European nations are in front of the US. I'm guessing that if you add them all up it would show more people are getting better socialistic medicine for cheaper.

As for distance, please refer to this chart:

http://rankingamerica.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/chart-of-urban-populationxls.jpg   (I have no fucking clue how Hong Kong has over 100%)

If anything people in the US are far closer than people in Europe are, seeing how many of them are in cities, closer to hospitals. Also are you saying there are more elderlyin the US than in the EU? Europe had just as big of a baby boom as the US did in the 50s and 60s.

Edit: Forgot to mention, the WHO is part of the UN, based in NYC.

Edit2: Also forgot that it was in Switzerland, the most neutralcountry in Europe you could think of.