Rise of atheism: 100,000 Brits seek 'de-baptism'

[Final-Fan]

appolose said:

Final-Fan said:

1.  YES!!! YESYESYESYES!  AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FINALLY!
I have a feeling this could allow for substantial progress.  Even if not, at least we've gotten somewhere. 

2.  I think at this point you need to define "method" and "method of truth".  You have used the phrase "method of truth" many many times, and I do not recall you ever defining it, and I want you to now.  Probably I should have asked this some time ago. 

Also:  "Other methods".  I suppose you refer to something based on revelation, correct?  (If not, then what?  Or, if "yes, but there is a third possibility", then what is that?) 

Is there any input possible besides "sense data" and "revelation"?  (I leave aside, for the moment, the question of whether those two are even separate.)  And would you agree that any legitimate belief about the world must eventually hinge on some form of input?

A method of truth means "a way to gain truth (aka absolute knowledge)". E.g. A man doubts his informer that says the world is flat and he wonders how he can be sure of this. A method of truth is something we're mulling over in our head (call it of the realm of analyticals or, ambiguously, the realm of ideas), it's not something we're going out to discover in the world. Rather, the world is the thing we're hoping to discover in truth through a method.

Other methods of truth would be rationalism, constuctivism, "presuppositionalism" (ambiguous). I'm sure there are many many more proposed but actually I think they're all actually variations of sense data (ambiguously called "experience") and rationality.

Yes, having truth is contingent upon obtaining it lol. "Input" if you will.

Actually, I could certainly call sense data revelation in that sense. Again, I don't say sense data doesn't exist or has nothing to do with reality. It's the empiricist doctrine I argue against that says we can "use" sense data to gain "further information" of reality (i.e. what that sense data represents - such as any particular entity [part or whole] and what nature it may have).

Not even if the ways to "use" or interpret the sense data were revealed? 

(I wanted to drop everything for the exchange I just replied to, but that question was too tempting to not ask.)