Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Rath said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Not really. It all depends what country you live in. The U.S for example has some split decisions on abortion. It's not a major majority or one sided (a list of polls with interesting data) http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm.
Actually it has everything to do with population control and eugenics. Research trhe people who founded planned parenthood. If you really think abortion is legal because governments give a shit about a woman's right then your sadly mistaken.
It is a living human being. The problem is that because it's in such an early stage of development, some people don't consider it human life due to thier own will. Regardless, the baby is alive and is human. One day I believe we will have the proper technology to understand this.
Exactly, it's just your opinion. It is in no way shape or form just another surgical procedure. We are talking about ending a life. THe unborn baby is killed. periood. When an abortion is performed. I could have posted the video of a procedure but it is even more disturbing than the after effects. Your babbling on saying I'm trying to appeal to emotion, when I clearly stated I wasn't. I repeat this for the umptienth time, alot of people wether it be prochoice or life don't have any idea of the procedure or what is done to the baby. Therefore I posted pictures of the removed "baby".
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Point 1. And the people on one side of that split decision don't see the undeveloped fetus as being human. Thank you for reinforcing my point. And even if (which I highly doubt) planned parenthood was pro-eugenics at some point it does not mean that the only reason its currently supported is eugenics. If you wish to claim that then back it up with some source or statistics, otherwise I just call straight up BS.
Point 2. Technology and science cannot prove when a human life begins, its a philisophical question rather than a scientific one. It all depends on the question "What is a person?", science simply cannot answer that. The reason some people don't consider it human is not due to their own will, but due to their answer to that question. You are just sticking your fingers in your ears and going "Lalalalala I'm right and everybody else is wrong" rather than actually looking at what other people actually believe.
Point 3. It is just my opinion and in my opinion it is just another surgical proceduce and in my opinon its not a life. We already established our opinions on all those things.
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Well I was sure by now that most people knew that planned parenthood was (and most likely still is) pro eugenics considereing the fact that it founder (Margaret Sanger) was one of the most outspoken eugenecists of her time. I'll give you several links if you would like. http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/planp.htm">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/planp.htm
http://www.nrlc.org/news/2004/NRL07/margaret_sanger_and_planned_pare.htm
When I say the proper technology I mean that there will be further developments of understand if a child is able to think while in the womb at earlier stages, dream ect, and being able to reduce the 20 some odd weeks where it's aillegal to abort to earilier keep in mind I believe abortion at any stage is wrong.
It is life, it is a living bieng, that's not the argument, the argument is at what stage does it have rights if any. Whereas I believe it has rights at the moment of conception
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While i agree that's not the main argument, it is part of the argument and no it's not as cut and dried as you think. The fact that a foetus is incapable of sustaining it's own life before twenty weeks puts it on very shaky ground, biologically speaking, as to whether it can be considered a living being.
This has practical implications as the push to lower the cut-off at which abortions can be sought in some countries has been driven by the ability for medicine to routinely facilitate the survival of children born at less than 24 weeks. The argument being that if children can routinely survive outside of the womb at younger than 24 weeks then seeking abortion at this late stage is tantamount to murder.
Also, there is little doubt that the foetus does have rights at some point. The questions are; when do the rights start, what rights are they and are they less than/more than or equivalent to the rights of the mother and what factors can affect these rights.
