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hsrob on 14 April 2009
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Bursche said:
hsrob said:
Strategyking92 said:
hsrob said:
Strategyking92 said:
I just want to know this, do pro-choice people believe a person should take responsibility for their actions?
Getting an abortion is like cheating.. But cheating somebody out of a life. I mean, it's already on it's way.



2 for 2 south park references.

Of course people should take responsibility for their actions but what's the cost of a 5 minute error in judgement for a sixteen year old?  You can't simplify this issue, it isn't simple, if it were we wouldn't be talking about it.

 

 

I know it's a complex issue, but if you are stupid enough to get knocked up, you gotta suffer with it.

It's kind of like murder. If you murder someone, you have to deal with the consequences that you have caused for yourself and that persons family. You can't go and unmurder someone. But sadly if something is living, you can take that life away.

Now this only accounts for a portion of people that will seek an abortion, but what does "stupid enough to get knocked up" mean?

Murder involves intent, unplanned pregnancy doesn't, so this is not a good example at all when discussing consequences of said actions. 

The question in this situation is, are the consequences of this action (forcing someone to carry an unwanted child to term) proportional to the action (accidentally getting pregnant)?

 

 You can use this argument for crimes that are committed now, mainly manslaughter. If a man drunk at the wheel accidentally falls asleep, and hits someone, its a crime because of his negligence. Sex is too casual now, and abortion is the scapegoat. People need to be more responsible for their actions in sex, and in the age of condoms, spermicide, birth control and pulling out, how anyone who neglets these and becomes pregnant is only doing so because they do not think there are many repricutions. Is the consequences of manslaughter proportional to 2-3 years? If a life has ended, yes it is.

1. Birth control doesn't always work.

2. I agree abortion shouldn't be a scapegoat.

3. Consequences of an unplanned pregnancy and giving a child up are not necessarily 2-3 years.  Especially now considering that children given up for an adoption have a legal right to track down their parents years later.

4. You are defacto attaching the same right to life to a foetus that you do a person, which isn't the generally accepted view in society.  If it were, even women who are in a situation where delivery might risk their life would be forced to carry their pregnancy to term, whereas in many places in the world this is acceptable justification for termination.

5. The reason i am not pro-life is because it's an all position i.e. you can NEVER abort a foetus.  It's not realistic, there are situations where the vast majority of people would concede that abortion is a humane alternative (rape of a minor for example)  Given this, many people would concede that abortion is sometimes necessary.  Given the nature of law it is impossible for us to determine before the fact how a law will be applied, laws are often not very specific.  To me pro-choice is just the more practical position.  You can be conservative pro-choice, argue that abortion law is applied too liberally, which i think is a very fair and defensible position in todays society.  However if you concede that sometimes it is the woman's right to seek abortion, you can't reasonably or practically defend a pro-life position, the foetus either has full right to life or it doesn't.