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hsrob on 13 April 2009
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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Onyxmeth said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Well, I posted some pictures below, and I'm warning they are graphic. The reason for this is for some people here who are pro-choice and have not seen what an aborted baby looks like.

The pictures are disturbing, but so is the fact that you couldn't present a sound argument against abortion, and felt the need to resort to pictures. If you truly believe in something then at least do your best. This is laziness and borderline offensive. Pro-choice is not pro-abortion. I am pro-choice and I can't stand abortion. Sometimes though it's not always feasible for the world to revolve around our personal moral standards. We must bend to give others the rights they deserve, while still not agreeing with the choices they make.

To further my point, I find suicide repugnant but it's your individual choice to do it. Now I can be shown a picture of a man with no face after shooting himself with a sawed off shotgun and be horrified by it, but that isn't going to change my opinion that he has the right to be that stupid.

@Bursche-No problem. I found the link very interesting myself.

 

I'll comment on the suicide analogy first. The difference is the baby does not have the "choice" wether he or she wants to be aborted. It is other people making that decision for them concerning thier life. While suicide....

Now one point of your statement I really liked is when you said "We must bend to give others the rights they deserve, while still not agreeing with the choices they make." So why not bend our personal beliefs to give that unborn child's "rights" it deserve to life instead of taking it away because of the selfish ideology of others. No matter of how you look at it, it's a living human being regardless of which stage of development he or she is in.

It wasn't being lazy that made me post the pictures and while offensive they serve a purpose. Most people go into the argument of abortion without seeing the actual procedure (which I decided against posting a video) or what happens to the baby and develope thier opiniopns by what the media says or by the opinions of others. 

 

I think many people go into the pro-choice argument without ever having gone through the experience or even thinking about what it would be like to have to carry around an unwanted embyro/foetus/child for nine months and then giving up the child. People talk about infringing upon the rights of the unborn child but not about infringing upon the rights of the mother. The fact is it is impossible to fully reconcile the rights of both lives when they are contained within the one skin, and hence the controversy surrounding this whole issue.

While i agree with you about making an informed decision and having all options and details laid out before you i do not agree with showing people the procedure, unless they want to.  Expanding on the idea presented to Rath, you don't routinely show people medical procedures they are about to undergo.  People have an intrinsic aversion to blood and showing people the procedure (any procedure) they are about to undergo is about the fastest way to convince them they don't want to do it, but the problem is you are appealing to their base instinct and not to rational decision making. 

I am very much pro-choice but having said that i don't know that i would ever want to be involved in an abortion.  Saying you are pro choice isn't a defacto statement that you don't value the life or the rights of an unborn child, just that the mother is allowed to consider her own rights too.